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Dam, I thought is was English, I guess I miss out on the Catawiki voucher, that can’t be Used in Canada.
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Well, well, I would not have said English ironstone, certainly not without handling them. What a lovely story and very attractive plates, never seen any as nice as that. Just shows what interesting things are out there.
Thanks Errol, that was great. ?
Hello Julia:
I'm really glad you liked the whole story. I only researched it when I decided to post this on the forum and was fascinated by the provenance. I have obviously handled the plates. To be quite frank though, I cannot detect any difference between them and the many Chinese porcelain plates in my collection. I suppose this is inexperience on my part. What would you actually look for when you handled the plates to help you distinguish between English ironstone and a Chinese porcelain plate from the Qing period? I am very fond of these plates. I have one on either side of a lovely famille verte Chinese yen yen vase c. 1700 according to Sotheby's and the colors while somewhat different seem to tie in beautifully. I have an affinity too for pie crust edges and octagonal shapes are such a nice change from the usual circular shape for Chinese dishes.
Regards,
Errol
Dear All,
A bit late to the thread but those dishes could be Masons around 1820 to about 1825 they introduced a new body called Felt-Spa porcelain it was a much lighter and more porcelain like, compared to their normal ironstone body. Marked items in this body just had a red enamel script mark that said Felt-Spar and nothing else. It could of worn off these dishes 0r maybe they were never marked.This type of body was very short lived.
belatedly
Michael
Errol, the easiest way to tell on the fly is holding it up to the light. Most ironstone is not translucent and is thicker. There are different qualities of ironstone, next test on the fly would be the ring test with a flick of you finger, the lower grade ironstone will have very dull ring, the better quality a nicer ring of short duration. If you compare the rings to good English porcelain the porcelain will have a ring of longer duration, more like a bell.
ironstone was developed as a more durable type of table ware that had the visual look of porcelain and could be decorated in the same manner. Comming from a great house, I would suspect you plates were part of second level table service used more as daily ware. If your only a Duke and a Lord was comming for a visit you would bring out the fine English porcelain, if the Queen was visiting you would bring out the expensive Chinese table service. If you were only entertaining a Duke or some one with a lower peerage from the next great house over, you would bring out the fancy ironstone like your plates.
Dear All,
A bit late to the thread but those dishes could be Masons around 1820 to about 1825 they introduced a new body called Felt-Spa porcelain it was a much lighter and more porcelain like, compared to their normal ironstone body. Marked items in this body just had a red enamel script mark that said Felt-Spar and nothing else. It could of worn off these dishes 0r maybe they were never marked.This type of body was very short lived.
belatedly
Michael
The mystery continues.
Errol, the easiest way to tell on the fly is holding it up to the light. Most ironstone is not translucent and is thicker. There are different qualities of ironstone, next test on the fly would be the ring test with a flick of you finger, the lower grade ironstone will have very dull ring, the better quality a nicer ring of short duration. If you compare the rings to good English porcelain the porcelain will have a ring of longer duration, more like a bell.
ironstone was developed as a more durable type of table ware that had the visual look of porcelain and could be decorated in the same manner. Comming from a great house, I would suspect you plates were part of second level table service used more as daily ware. If your only a Duke and a Lord was comming for a visit you would bring out the fine English porcelain, if the Queen was visiting you would bring out the expensive Chinese table service. If you were only entertaining a Duke or some one with a lower peerage from the next great house over, you would bring out the fancy ironstone like your plates.
Ah! The good old days, when the queen would pop around for a Cup of Tea. 🙂
I think a Duke would be entitled to the Chinese Service, If i was a Duke and all i got was an Ironestone Mug i would not be happy. If that is Correct Ronm it would explain why the British have managed to maintain so much Fine China in good condition. It must have rarely left the press.
The Lord Peerage would be the lowest, You would be expecting rock n Roll bands like the rolling Stones and Boomtown rats and Elton john and their entourage. You would want to keep the finest China well locked away.They would party and burn the house down.
Ops, got the peerage ranks in the wrong Oder, sorry about that. You know us unrefined colonials, can’t get things right.?
Nice explanation, Ron. Love the pecking order for who gets best china!
Errol, they are lovely, I bet it is a beautiful display!
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