Chinese 'Peoples Republic' Family Verte design. Modern appears 1960. However since it is a mystery then I suspect their is a twist to this puzzle. I have a few 1960's Chinese dishes and they look great. They made some good solid dishes back then. 

I love this bowl. It looks great and is so strong big and heavy, it's just so cool 🙂 I am sure i would die of lead poisoning if i use it for food but i still make good use of it. I also have this beautiful plate, hand painted like the bowl. Not sure what era it is from but i assume 1970's.

This plate looks amazing when displayed and yet it is probably made in the 1970's.

The more you get into Asian Art the more you find yourself appreciating items for their quality and design as much for their age. 

Hi SD:

Your plates are indeed lovely especially the last one with the mountains and pine trees. I also like Republican period items and even some later items, but if one looks at the details the older pieces are still better.

I'm afraid my dish is not, however, a "Chinese 'Peoples Republic' Family Verte design." So no Catawiki voucher for you!

Regards,

Errol

Possibly a 19th century European copy of a Japanese plate?

The colours, the pattern, the shape look 19th c Japanese to me, but then the footrim is odd.  The base does look more european.  Is that a spur mark in the middle or a trick of the light? 

Also, the phoenix (is that also a plural or is it phoenixes or phoeni?) look a little strange around the neck/head almost as though someone was copying an idea? The fish are sloppy.  I can see why SD suggested a more recent date.

I think it looks like a octogonal famille verte Kangxi pie crust plate. Even though the back doesn't convince me to be early 18th century.

I examined it more closely it is not a spur but a trick of the light when the picture was taken. The Plate is a modern plate in appearance. It doesnt have that creamy thick glaze, that most old porcelain has and it has scratches on it. If it has any age which is possible  then it is Japanese or european and not Chinese. If it is Chinese then it is modern.  

However the scratches and the glaze make me think it is simply a modern plate, that has been hand painted in Taiwan. 

Hello:

You all did very well on this with Birgit again being the first  to get on the right track with this dish. Incidentally, SD is correct. There is no spur - that is due to the flash. When I bought the pair of dishes I knew what they were. However, a subsequent appraisal by Sotheby's yielded the following description: "Pair of Staffordshire ironstone octagonal dishes in Chinese famille-verte style, circa 1810." As Chris noted the edge has a pie crust pattern.

Ironstone china, ironstone ware or most commonly just ironstone, is a type of vitreous pottery first made in the United Kingdom in the early 19th century. It is often classed as earthenware although in appearance and properties it is similar to fine stoneware.

The dishes have a somewhat interesting provenance. As you will see from the photographs below, there is an old yellowing label on the other dish of the pair that states as follows: "Holland's Curiositie Shoppe, Llandudno. I hereby guarantee that this article was purchased at the Duke of Sutherland's sale at Trentham Hall, July 18th, 1907. (Signed) Frederick Holland." Llandudno is a seaside resort town in Wales.

The contents of the label tie in well with the known history. Duke of Sutherland is a title in the Peerage of the United Kingdom which was created by King William IV in 1833 for George Leveson-Gower, 2nd Marquess of Stafford. (William IV was King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and King of Hanover and died without any legitimate offspring in 1837 when he was succeeded by his niece Queen Victoria, daughter of the Duke and Duchess of Kent). A series of marriages to heiresses by members of the Leveson-Gower family made the Dukes of Sutherland one of the richest landowning families in the United Kingdom. The title remained in the Leveson-Gower family until the death of the 5th Duke of Sutherland in 1963, when it passed to John Egerton, 5th Earl of Ellesmere. The property on which Trentham Hall, the family seat, was located was first acquired by the family in 1504 and subsequent dukes gradually built the grand house that became Trentham Hall. 

Trentham Hall was one of many of the great British houses to be demolished in the 20th century, and was one of the greatest losses of the era. The River Trent had been diverted into a lake close to the hall, but sewage and effluent from nearby potteries polluted it in the early 20th century.  Trentham Hall was offered for free to the local council in 1905, but it was abandoned by 1907. The hall was demolished in 1912-13 by its owner, the 4th Duke of Sutherland, who razed it after his offer to give it to the people of Stoke-on-Trent was rejected. However, the gardens and the ornamental park with its lake and the Estate woodlands have all been preserved.  The sculpture gallery, clock tower and parish church, as well as other buildings, were not demolished.

These dates are consistent with the content of the label and its 1907 date. Since Trentham Hall was abandoned in 1907 it is likely that a sale of its contents would have occurred in that same year and that Frederick Holland purchased the dishes then at that sale. After that, the dishes  made their way to the United States. So, I think the provenance of the dishes is well established and their manufacture date of c. 1810 was established by Sotheby's. Although, as some of you noted, the quality of the decoration is not as good as that of Chinese dishes of the same period, their history makes them fascinating to me.

Congratulations to all of you for doing so well on this!

Best regards,

Errol

Has the colour olive green or the fact there is enamel and not underglaze anything to do with this plate. 

It is Japanese Arita Imari Peacock Design. The shape is fine for that, and i guess it could be older than i thought. I searched and searched for that diaper design, and this was the only one i could find that matches it. The Actual Rust green or olive red is common imari colours from edo period. 

Those red epi circles on the 2nd border of the plates edge. They are hard to find on any other Japanese Imari design, but i recall they have a significance but have forgotten why or where. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/392234565427

Right 🙂 

Then it is an Ironstone copy of a Japanese Design perhaps. That was actually very puzzling, almost as much fun as trying to determine a Newhall teapot and a Chinese teapot. 

During my research of your mystery I discovered this picture and it is just a 1 front picture with no back picture. It pricked my interest as I have a very plate, I bought thinking it looked very cool. 

The Picture I found  Imari ware Arita 1690-1720

This is the plate I got. I wonder, although i do doubt it but could it really be 18th century?

Thanks for this interesting story, Errol. Not many collectors might have an item with such an unbroken provenance story. A bit sad however that such a collection was sold of to what possibly was a souvenir shop. But maybe that was usual in 1907.

Best regards

Birgit

I actually missed Brigit's post, that was a very accurate guess. Well done. 

So does anyone win that valuable and desirable catawiki voucher?

Birgit had already won about 75 cents worth of Catawiki vouchers and this bring her up to 95 cents. When she reaches the one-dollar mark I'll put them all in the mail. If I send them now the cost of the postage will exceed the value of the vouchers. 

Errol

Dam, I thought is was English,  I guess I miss out on the Catawiki voucher, that can’t be Used in Canada.