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I was taught that this scroll has one of the earliest depictions of dragons in their modern form. Of course, they evolved over time so there's no distinct before/after. Nevertheless the earlier abstract dragons are clearly different.
Strange. The same vase was sold at Skinner in 2020. I'll never understand why someone pay $72,000 for a vase at eBay and then consign it to Skinner with a $1,000 - $2,000 estimate. Now he was lucky it sold for $60,000 but still ... https://www.skinnerinc.com/auctions/3404T/lots/1257 The original listing is no longer available at eBay but can be seen in this video from bidamount.
It is very odd with that estimate but skinners often put very low estimates. But I admit $1000 was insanely low. With fees the vendor would have received about 50k. A substantial loss of more than 20k.
It also could be a deceased estate. I bought a Xu Zhongnan signed plaque a couple of years ago for $950. It was estimated at $100. I know this particular plaque because I tried to buy it from sotheby's the year before when it was estimated at $5000. It did not sell and the vendor refused all offers.
When I did receive the plaque sotheby's tag was still attached!
I dont know if you have ever noticed with the majors that they often do put the same item up a couple of years later. I have noticed this especially with jades. Often they sell for less money than they originally paid. Maybe vendors buy things. Keep and admire them for a couple of years then sell them and buy something else.
Mark
I haven't noticed that pieces often sell for less money than what was originally paid when re-offered through the majors. Most often the estimate as well as the sale price is higher when re-sold according to my own research.
But it's interesting that this bronze vase again sells way above its estimate and not for the amount you would expect for an archaistic bronze vase of said period and quality. But now we have a translation of the inscription that says: "covered gui made by Zhong Yufu on Capital's request to use for generations," So I guess the high value has to do with the named maker although I can't find any info of said person on the web.
This wasn't the only lot in said sale at Skinner that had a very low estimate even though it had an earlier high sale price by the way. This rust-colored hu vase was estimated at only $1,000 - $1,200 even though it had previously sold at Sotheby's for $15,000. The buyer was Josh Chamberlain and he sold it at eBay for a price close to that of Sotheby's if I recall correctly. He did well. He did it right. https://www.skinnerinc.com/auctions/3404T/lots/1086 https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/lot.448.html/2014/fine-chinese-ceramics-works-of-art-n09116
@avatar It is interesting that same things are selling for more on ebay than at some of the auction houses.
I haven't noticed that pieces often sell for less money than what was originally paid when re-offered through the majors. Most often the estimate as well as the sale price is higher when re-sold according to my own research.
But it's interesting that this bronze vase again sells way above its estimate and not for the amount you would expect for an archaistic bronze vase of said period and quality. But now we have a translation of the inscription that says: "covered gui made by Zhong Yufu on Capital's request to use for generations," So I guess the high value has to do with the named maker although I can't find any info of said person on the web.
This wasn't the only lot in said sale at Skinner that had a very low estimate even though it had an earlier high sale price by the way. This rust-colored hu vase was estimated at only $1,000 - $1,200 even though it had previously sold at Sotheby's for $15,000. The buyer was Josh Chamberlain and he sold it at eBay for a price close to that of Sotheby's if I recall correctly. He did well. He did it right. https://www.skinnerinc.com/auctions/3404T/lots/1086 https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/lot.448.html/2014/fine-chinese-ceramics-works-of-art-n09116
Hi Corey,
I was just viewing and comparing the two vases from sotheby's and skinners.
These look similar but the bases are not. So not the same. Different one from sotheby's.
Mark
No, it's the same vase. I've checked. You need to rotate the bases a little too make them match clockwise. The difference in tone etc. is due to lightning conditions.
It's Ming. What's likely is that it either sold to an eager dealer with money or went unpaid.
1.) Unpaid items usually get held onto for years because it really hurts them when they go back on the market too soon. I purchased a lifesize Yuan wooden buddha from Sotheby for less then 10% of its sale price after it was relisted the next year from being nonpaid. This is likely what happened. As a seller you only have two options for your property, hold onto unsolds for a long time or try to keep selling them for a lot less.
2.) There is also another possibility for the earlier sale of it on eBay. Someone who was armed with a little bit of knowledge made a bad purchase for a large amount of money and it took them a few years of trying different avenues to find a place to resell the item to recoup whatever they possibly could. This is a common dealer mistake in the beginning, and some make it with $1000 while others make it with $50,000 items.
The silver and gilt inlaid bronze is probably worth $20,000 based on what I'm seeing. Hard to say if the inscription is original to the piece or later added, it must also be question: "Is the inscription a copy from a Shang/Zhou prototype that this vessel is based off of, or is it a dedication for this piece when it was commissioned?" It warrants research for the owner, but there are better buys in this price range, even from major houses. But these are auctions - and two people with money who want the same thing... Don't be surprised if you see it again in a few years.
It is what it is!
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