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Topic starter 26/09/2019 12:52 am  

I am not sure if this was previously discussed here. 

What do you think of it? With that price, it seems a lot of people liked it. 

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Large-Antique-Bronze-Chinese-Hu-Wine-Vessel-/362750099402?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true

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26/09/2019 4:29 am  

I don't think it has been discussed.  The first I saw of it was when I watched Peter's video.  I'm not in a position to comment on it's authenticity, but I was interested to see the markings (diamond pattern) on the underside.  Is that usual - I am not intending to cast any doubt, I am simply interested in whether or not that is a typical feature of bronzes this age or a less common one.


   
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26/09/2019 5:25 am  

New Bedford, Massachusetts, interesting 🙂

 

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26/09/2019 7:20 am  

I'm researching it right now. I suspect it might be an authentic archaic bonze vase. A Shang dynasty bronze vase at Portland art museum has the diamond pattern on the underside. http://portlandartmuseum.us/mwebcgi/mweb.exe?request=record;id=11310;type=101#  

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26/09/2019 9:54 am  

The vase is archaistic - not archaic. Sorry, my mistake.

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26/09/2019 12:04 pm  

Archaistic is the better word as the eBay bronze doesn't have the same details as the Portland Museum example.  To me it seems to be a Ming or later copy of an Archaic style bronze with fine and smoother lines.  Amazed that someone would pay $72000 for it after seeing it sitting on the outdoor steps in the eBay photos?  Wonder if the sale will be completed or if it will be relisted.  If relisted, I may bid a few thousand 😀  


   
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27/09/2019 6:26 am  

George

I too was amazed at the sale price,saw it on Peter's newsletter and thought it would make maybe $6-8000,especially with the damage and repair.Perhaps the inscription has some bearing?Can you translate it George?

Wouldn't be a big surprise if it's not paid for and is related.

Regards,Peter


   
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27/09/2019 10:49 am  

Peter,

Last two lines found often on archaic bronzes read something like:

“May my children and grandchildren make use of this precious bronze forever”

Quite a thought?

George


   
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27/09/2019 11:53 am  

Thanks George,

Well,it's certainly a precious bronze!!

 

 


   
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27/09/2019 1:05 pm  

It can't possibly be archaic since the the style of decoration is shang/early zhou but the technique of inlay wasn't used before latere shang. At least that's what my research showed me but please correct me if I am wrong.


   
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Ming or later "Archaic in Style"

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Yes. Archaic in style = Archaistic. At least we got that established ...


   
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16/10/2019 9:43 pm  

I think the dragon handles also make it a later piece. Dragons didn't appear in that non-abstract form until at least the Song dynasty, iirc.


   
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Are you sure? https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1988.20.4a,b/ http://joycegallery.com/item/western-zhou-bronzes/pair-archaic-bronze-fang-hu-covers-interlaced-dragon-motif-decoration/


   
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17/10/2019 10:04 pm  

Both of those are far more abstract. Abstract dragons go back to the famous Hongshan jade example. Dragons with scales and horns and other details didn't appear until much later.


   
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