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Okay…first I have developed three fairly iron clad rules when it comes to collecting.
1. I only collect antiques within my budget range and that is certainly not Rockefeller levels.
2. The piece must draw my eye across the room or a photo of the object must stand out among hundreds of other cataloged objects.
3. The object must be in fairly decent condition for it’s type (expect more damage to Tang burial figures vs. 18th century porcelain).
I would love to have an object like your Yongzheng famile rose charger but even 40 years ago it was far out of my financial reach. So ‘price no object’ most anything from the 18th century emperors imperial porcelain lists would suit me just fine! However, ironclad rule one drove me towards un-marked 18th century monochromes, Tang pottery figures, and Song ceramics because that was most available in my price range in the last two decades of the 20th century. Thank you, Three Gorges Dam! The genius of the Chinese craftsman meant things were always catching my eye in these areas.
My knowledge base is fairly narrowed to my collecting interests. Don’t expect any expertise from me in regard to figurative porcelain decoration in any time period, jades, furniture, bronzes, paintings or textiles. I will always have a definite opinion on any object brought to the attention of the forum (rarely love it or usually hate it).
My tastes to tend to run to the quietly subtle side of things in regards to porcelain. Here is a 18th century piece that has been incised with a ‘dragon chasing flaming pearl’ that relies on the light blue glaze to pool into the lines of the design.
@william Rule #2 is a rule I live and die by. When my friend Mike (who is Chinese) would shop together, he would get very frustrated with my approach. I would walk past each booth in an antique mall, glance at it up and down for about 5 seconds, and if a good looking piece didn't hit me smack in the face I moved onto the next booth.
On the other hand, my friend Mike use to go into each booth and carefully handle every piece whether it was a broken tea cup, or a flashy modern vase.
I guess I trust my eyes and instict to stop me from walking away from a good piece....sounds like you have this skill as well given the examples you've shown thus far.
You're taste in subtle beauty if really fascinating to me...are you sure you're from Texas where everything is big and flashy?
@greeno107 I too have wondered how Bill could be from Texas. He seems far too refined of a soul. But alas, the word is not so black and white. Truth be told, I have spent some time in Texas myself. So there you go.
@johnshoe Good point....my comment was purely in jest of course, but it is somewhat ironic.
My first trip to Texas was in 2014 was to attend an estate sale in Tyler, TX.
It was there I learned that during the oil rush days, it was quite fashionable to have a room in your home designated for 'orientalia', perhaps to entertain guests during parties/dinners. Consequently, the wealth and size of Texas has made it a hot bed for very fine Asian antiques (and art/antiques from all parts).
Over the years, naturally, these treasure troves have somewhat dried up, but once and a while an estate will hit the market that just boggles the mind as to how much fine art can possibly be in one home.
As for my Tyler estate sale, I cleaned up! For about $4,000 I bought 2 cinnabar table screens, one Qianlong period, and some porcelains that in total earned me around $40,000.
It also earned me the scorn of the roughly 30 Chinese buyers who had shown up thinking they would be first in line to get the best pieces. Sorry...you snooze...you loose!
@greeno107 You've got me brainstorming titles for your self help memoir. "China trade - Learning how to be more fanatical about Chinese antiques than the Chinese fanatics themselves to ride the oriental express all the way to the bank." I think it has potential.
@johnshoe Oh goodness, Texas is a big state, sorry to have missed ya pard. Must have been out roping goats.
@sharonp When I was about 15 years old I saw Chris Kristofferson play a concert at Bronco Billy's. If you were there we might have passed each other by. I am also familiar with the Ding Dong Daddy from Dumas. And I have flown into the airport at Waco. Scariest flight of my life, actually. I been around, man.
Okay guys, I realize Texas has an outsize reputation that tends to overshadow its extensive group of amazing collectors, first rank education institutions, and great museums. Growing up in the Dallas area, my parents would take my brothers and I to local estate & garage sales in older neighborhoods. We tended to do craft types of activities as a family, refinish furniture gathered from older relatives, and my parents collected regional artists. I suppose that planted the seeds of my collecting mania. It also helped that I chose an engineering career that provided surplus funds and plenty of time off for travel to pursue my collecting interests.
We have gotten way off topic.
@william Sorry Bill, that's what happens when I stay up late drinking port. I should know better. At any rate, it's interesting to trace our interests in this stuff back to their origins. I had an interest in Asian things as a boy, and as a young man became involved in Asian related lifestyle movements. I also have been pulled towards eastern philosophies and spiritual schools of thought, so the antiques and art is not a far stretch.
@william Wise rules indeed, especially no.4 that’s hidden in the text: find yourself a field of interest and learn about it. It’s almost impossible to learn everything about everything: porcelain, jade, wood, paintings… especially if you’re a collector and not a dealer. Even the field of Chinese ceramics is so wide that special interest in a certain area seems inevitable.
Birgit
Well, I think we did get off topic, but not before we put quite a few nails in on the old coffin regarding apocryphal marks on Kangxi and other pieces.
I think the smaller size of my vase (just under 10 inches tall), the overall fine detail, and the apocryphal mark suggests it is a better than average piece, perhaps copying one made by imperial order.
Given the market has really climbed for good quality Kangxi pieces, I'm not sure the mark necessarily matters (except for Imperial pieces), so I'll give Christie's a call and see if they feel the same way I do.
Many thanks!
@greeno107 Just out of curiosity, having sold things with them before, do you now have a specific contact you deal with at Christies, or do you have to submit things through their online portal like I would have to?
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