Indeed a very expensive copy LOL. 

The font MW was really off IMO. Also the loss to the gilding at the center was manufactured as the surrounding green was not worn/consistent with same etc.

Very disappointed with this sellers offerings. A lot of fake labels including from the Percival collection attached to archaic jade pieces. As Stuart pointed out Sir David only collected high end porcelain. Not Jade!

Mark

The seller stayed on the safe side and did never say it was the Sir Percival David collection. Instead it was David Percival, a famous jade collector that you have surely heard of 😂

Whats so odd is, THEY KNOW exactly what is real and not, why the just keep peeing on themselves and trashing their reputation is just amazing. They get some very good things and then pollute their own auctions with total crap. 

They submit from I understand anything that's really good to Christie's first, if it ends up on eBay, it's because it got rejected.  Christie's would have tripped over themselves for this plate were it real. 

Best Peter

Dear Birgit,

great sense of humor!

The foot of this dish is clearly saying that it is a copy.

I can’t say the porcentage of fake items that this seller is mixing with authentic ones, because he is not selling to Italy, so I can’t see his auctions, I can only see them through links like this one (apropos, why is he not selling to Italy? Does he had too many returns of fake items? Not from me, anyway) but no doubt he is purposely selling fakes here and there.

This is not acceptable, especially considering that he is one of the more successful sellers, always reaching very high prices. Because of that, his subterfuges are really miserable.

Regards

Giovanni

I agree totally with peters post.

Over the last couple of years I have spent in excess of 30k with JHT. All purchases very happy with.

Their last three sales have been appalling. Totally trashing what good name they had on eBay imo  to the point that I do not trust a single word they print!

Mark

Dear all -

Given the above comments one should question way - if JHT has/had been so reliable/successful in the past - there last three sales, as Mark mentions, have been so bad ...?! What has caused this sudden/drastic change in the quality/authenticity of pieces they are now offering and why, as Peter remarks, would they - seemingly deliberately - ruin there previous good reputation ...?!  

Perhaps other, as yet unknown, 'factors' have suddenly come in to play with this seller .... All rather curious ....!!

Stuart 

I guess it all about making a buck honestly or dishonesty.

As Peter has stated. They know exactly what they are doing and selling. In the past all the items I bought were mostly bought direct with the seller and not through eBay. All were guaranteed authentic etc.

It takes years to build a good reputation. It takes no time at all to destroy/tarnish it.

Buyers for the most part are not totally stupid. If JHT keeps offering substantial amounts of fakes mixed with some authentic items in their listings prospective buyers will just ignore them.

Mark

Hi Mark and all -

I would totally agree, whether 'honest or not', business is business - and if, due to there current 'marketing strategy', JHT lose both previous and current/future buyers then ....

As mentioned previously, those who are found to be offering fake objects mixed with genuine pieces should be banned, no matter how successful they have been/or are - as Giovanni comments, such 'practices' are not acceptable ....

Stuart

These people have been selling fakes for at least a decade on ebay.    

About 5-6 years ago, a local Dr invited me to his home to look at his Chinese collection, much of which had been purchased from JHT.   Every single piece was fake.   I didn't have the heart to tell him.    In retrospect I should have - he may have taken my reaction as confirmation they were real, and continued to buy their items.

They've also bought items from me in the past that were very average.    Then they put them on ebay, and all of a sudden they are Imperial examples, "the best they've ever seen" with bogus provenance.    A $50 item gets turned into a $2000 item, through fraudulent marketing.

Its interesting how often they have Sotheby's or Christies catalogue records for near identical examples of what they put on ebay.   I've often wondered which came first (the catalogue page or the item!)    In Chinese markets they used to (may still do), sell Sotheby's catalogues by the page, so fakers could use them as a guide to make their latest creation.  

The Chinese antiques business is a strange one.    I could offer a $10,000 item to a Chinese "collector" for $1000 and they wouldn't touch it.     But put that same item in an auction, and that same person may bid it up to $20,000-$50,000.    Its some strange combination of ignorance, and belief that others are trying to rip them off.    JHT seems to understand that mentality very well.   These people are somehow much more comfortable buying a $100 fake from JHT for $10,000, than an authentic example from me for $3000.   

I think its unethical, and terrible.   But the buyers seem to participate voluntarily, and are happy with their "winnings".

The same thing happens at in person auctions.     Just last week I was in an in person auction.    I'd travelled 2 days to get there.     Unfortunately about 100 ish items were all from the same consigner, and were brand new.    That said, I sat through the auction and watched a handful of Chinese fight over a number of those fake items, in some cases paying thousands.     When it was over, I watched them walking out of the building with huge smiles on their faces, carrying their brand new fake item in their hands.    I wouldn't be surprised if in all cases, they thought they'd just got the deal of the century, paying $5000 for a $50,000+ item, when in reality it was $5000 for something that likely cost $25 ish.    Interestingly, some of the fakes, they didn't touch, while others they were all over.    It left me with mixed feelings.   On the one hand I think the auction house should not have sold that stuff, while on the other, I feel if someone is that greedy and ignorant, they deserve to over pay.

ps, I tried to bid on a painting JHT had on ebay a number of years ago - found I was blocked...……..lol     Guess they don't want people buying their items who know what the real thing looks like.   If you block the experts, you won't get much getting returned!

Dear Avionsunantiques,

You are describing exactly what it happened to me and what I have seen many times.

It seems that most of the Chinese buyers, either ebay buyers or those who buy at the Auction houses, do buy accordingly to what they think about the seller. And most doesn’t know what they are buying.

Your last sentence make me suspicious about the reason why I can’t see JHT auctions. Could I have been blocked?

Regards,

Giovanni

Hi Giovanni,

Technically you can still see the items on offer, providing items are available in your area etc. Just won't accept your bids. Happened with me from said seller after I asked about a certified jade item that I said was not worth the paper it was written on. The certificate just said 'archaic jade'. No dimensions, no picture. Nothing! Signed by some unknown guy in China with no history. No address or contact details . Nothing.

Later they reversed the block after I enquired etc. Apparently this seller does not like people questioning their items or suggesting they are fake etc. They like blind obedience minded buyers.

I think with avion antiques they blocked him because they bought from him and then reinvented said purchases knowing he would see that etc . They probably block all dealers. Maybe avion should block them lol.

Mark

Dear Mark,

what a shame, and how shamefully is the fact that such person is so succesful. This is proving the diffused ignorance among buyers.

Regards,

Giovanni