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Dear all -
Julia makes a very good point regarding 'someone' placing high bids to generate(possible false) interest in a object. I have seen this happen within auction rooms several times over recent years mostly, though not always, on the more 'questionable' pieces, with the prices achieved causing much 'raising of eyebrows/shaking of heads'!! Undoubtedly, some sort of 'game is been played' - why, and to what end ....??!!
As for 'bargain hunters' defining the differences between those acquiring objects via eBay or the auction houses, that very much depends on your perception of 'bargain' - both, IMO, can offer such, if you know what your looking at and such is misunderstood, and therefore passed by or dismissed by others ...
Stuart
Stuart
I think this will do 35-40 maybe even 60
if you know thats the number than placing a big bid '' a book mark'' in the auction won't effect it.
dealing with auction houses is a nightmare sometimes they don't even know what they are dealing with. i think you save more on ebay with the fees also.
That is quite possibly true. Peter always says "leave a bid" and he doesn't mean at the last minute, so on an item of this value, if people are doing that, then the price may well be relatively higher than expected whilst people get those bids in.
Hi to all
I have just purchased another from bidamount I have I loss out on many items by bidding last seconds so now I just leave a very good bid . if you must have it then go for it
Br Chris
I'd be interested to know how Dealers deal with the shipping aspect to China for such high value items,packing Insurance for damage,etc. in case of the usual SNAD and 'damaged' claims.
Obtaining Insurance in the U.K. can be done but is very expensive.
Vic
I only ship with insurance. Chinese buyers often ask to lower the price, even when that is useless as import duties are free for an antique item. I refuse and declare full value. I recently sold something to Canada and buyer asked the same. I checked and also there the import duties on antiques are zero. when I asked him why he said that often customs declare against wrong item, and then to get the import duties back it takes months. So i put a big sticker on the package with the tariff number ( which is 9706000 globally) and stressed the fact it was an antique item from over 100 years old. No import duties and one happy customer !
Kind regards
Staartmees
In the UK, even if the seller has done everything correctly customs will sometimes charge you. It is then up to you to prove it’s an antique (a report by someone recognised by them) and to complete all the necessary paperwork. They know that most people won’t bother because it is a lot of work, expensive and you only have 2 weeks to complete it or the item is returned to sender.
This has happened to me twice, as a result I don’t buy outside the EU anymore. There are forums on the internet full of people having had the same experience. I was lucky, last time my customs charge was only £97. Some people receive demands for hundreds of pounds!
It doesn’t happen all the time, but a few times is enough to put you off for life!
Nic
It’s astonishing to hear that there are countries where you don’t pay import tax on antiques. In Germany we pay 19% for everything that’s worth more than 25 Euro. That’s why, like Nic, I try not to buy outside the EU. An exception are South East Asian sellers, they declare a Ming plate as a decoration plate for €10, and it usually slips through.
Birgit
that is not true Shinigami. germany is part of the EU and therefore the import duties are the same as in the netherlands, being zero.
You might need to pay VAT, but in the netherlands that is only 6% for antiques. I assume that might be 19% in germany. But for sure, import duties are zero, and that is also the case for the UK ( before brexit...after that we do not know 🙂 )
Kind regards
Staartmees
Shinigami,
Also in Germany the VAT for antiques is the lower rate, in Germany being 7%. So you would have to pay NO import duties and only 7% VAT ( mehrwertsteuer) when you import antiques from over 100 years old. Please check here : https://www.haufe.de/finance/finance-office-professional/antiquitaeten-7-besonderheiten-bei-der-umsatzsteuer_idesk_PI11525_HI3565493.html.
( Ja ich spreche Deutsch !)
Schonen Abend noch
grusse
Staartmees
Thanks Staartmees, you’re right. Probably it wasn’t import tax but VAT what I paid but it was quite painful because of the expensive objects I imported. For a while I was a regular visitor at my local customs office. Had to go there in my work time and wait endlessly. So I stopped buying in the US although they have very interesting things there. I hope the Brexit won’t happen because Britain is also a good place to buy. Though I have made the best deals in hidden corners of Ebay Germany ?
Birgit
For me it helped putting an invoice on the package clearly stating it was an antique, over 100 years old item, and customs could not pretend they didn't know. Since I ask that when i buy and do it myself when I sell, import goes fine.
Ebay germany is nice , I shop there regularly too and nice thing is , no import duties !!
Kind regards
staartmees
Sorry, I don’t think I was clear, I know that there is no duty to be paid on Antiques entering the UK, but if yours is one of the unlucky packages that is opened and checked, customs can ask you to prove that it is an antique, they will not take your, or the seller’s, word for it.
If it was as easy as simply putting the appropriate code etc. on the package, one could order anything from anywhere and avoid import duties just by applying the appropriate code.
It may well be that they only check 1:100, I really don’t know. But if they do, you could receive a hefty bill. It may well be different in other countries, that the customs are fairer and more reasonable? But UK border agency are notoriously belligerent.
Nic
Hi Nic,
well, if it is an authentic antique, they would have a hard time proving it is not. How can you prove that ? I have had issues ( In the netherlands) because they didn't know. But once i told them what it was there were no issues. I can of course not judge how UK customs are operating ...
Kind regards
Staartmees
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