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Just in case anyone missed it, there's a very fine Qianlong mark and period Beijing Enamel on eBay right now ending Monday. It's particularly interesting as most of these are done in the Chinese taste. Like the floral example from the Soame Jenyns collection sold in London at Christies this past November.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/153440038302?ul_noapp=true
Very interested to see how it does.
Best Peter
Peter
Dear Peter,
thank you.
I would be more interested in knowing how it is possible that a piece is already at so high price, three days before the end.
Anybody interested on it will wait the last seconds before bidding, it is obvious and it is what ALWAYS happens to me. Who would bid, days in advance, 15,000 dollars? It has no sense, it is obvious that he will be outbidded.
But here, as it only happens to some dealers, it seems that there are many of so apparently inexperienced though wealthy bidders.
Nothing to do with the value of the piece, it is just a personal comment about what is strange, to say the least, to me.
Best regards
Giovanni
well Giovanni, compared to the christies example this is peanuts. I wish I could buy this piece at 20,000 or so..
To me it seems like an easy bid knowing that at christies it could fetch 10 times more ( at least).
I always wonder why they don't sell through chirstie's or sotheby's ,why do they choose ebay ?
Kin regards
Staartmees
Lovely piece !
Here are the latest statistics on the listing as of 2:38 EST Saturday.
| Seller: | juice1499[efb][sld] | Bids: | 58 | |
| View Count: | 2,401 | Watch Count: | 292 | |
| Start Time: | Saturday, 06-Apr-19 01:58:01 UTC | |||
| End Time: | Tuesday, 16-Apr-19 01:58:01 UTC | |||
Probably will have over 350 watchers by the close and 3,500 to 4,500 views. Maybe more on both. If so, it could reach the levels of any auction house's results. Bear in mind, a lot of these watchers are calling top flight collectors and dealers alerting them to the listing for a fee. Much can happen.
Best Peter
Peter
Why not send such a piece to a auction house ? The only reason is the commission ?
Best regards
Michael
Dear Startmees,
I repeat that I am not doubting the value of the object.
What I mean is very simple: if you could offer 20,000 for it, as you said, would you make your offer days before the end? I don’t think so, and to me nobody really interested on it would do.
Best regards,
Giovanni
I prefer the one sold at Christies, but I only buy these when they come in pairs.
?
Nic
Dear all -
The Christie's piece had great provenance, anything associated with Alfred and Ivy Clark usually sells for very high figures - one of the great old English collections and, in terms of overall quality, regarded as second only to the Percival David Coll now at the British Museum.
Personal not my taste at all however from the images, which are always subjective, it appears good and, if believed to be Imperial, something that is Not Claimed by the seller, someone will undoubtedly be persuaded to part with lot of money to acquire!!
I would question why such an object is been sold via eBay and not via an auction house - could it be that the sellers do not want people to actually see and handle this object, and also the wisdom of those who would pay such a price before doing so ....
Stuart
Dear Giovanni,
Ah you mean that you would wait with bidding until the last day. I am not sure I would. If I want it I would bid, and than I would get notified when I get outbid.
Curious where this thing will end !
Kind regards
Staartmees
Dear Giovanni, I also think that it makes no sense to push the price up for days. I have often noticed it in Ebay auctions. Maybe it's a kind of stupid competition: you can pay 15.000 but look, I can pay more. However I hate it since items get unnessecarily expensive in this way. A good sharp bidding war in the last seconds is much better in my eyes. Now and then I won an item in the last seconds, when bidders had pushed the price up for some days but then lost interest in the end. But I always thought I could have got it cheaper without their useless bids.
Birgit
I agree with Birgit and Giovanni. I don’t understand this tactic. If there’s anyone out there that does it, it would be fascinating to hear their philosophy. Maybe there’s a benefit we haven’t considered?
I also think that it’s often down to shill bidding - tentatively pushing the price up from another account so that genuine bidders reassess their upper limit as the week goes on. It’s a pretty foolproof thing to do when you have hundreds of watchers, all you need is two of those to have the financial means and determination to pay any price and you’re guaranteed a good price.
I think there are also some spiteful people that have no intention of buying the item but enjoy making other people pay more. This is also very common in my local auction. People brag about it fairly openly among their friends. I think it’s an abhorrent thing to do. This would also explain why many items are resisted because the winner didn’t pay.
Nic
It is also a means of attracting attention to a piece. I think *someone* placing high bids can help create a (possibly false?) sense of confidence in the authenticity of an item. Not saying that is happening here, but high prices do make things stand out and there is safety in numbers, if I may appropriate that expression for this situation.
If you are a bargain hunter, yes, than it does makes sense to wait with bidding until the last moment. If you are a collector, you would like to have an exceptional item for a fair price, not necessarily a bargain, just an opportunity to add something to your collection which is truly rare. It seems most ebayers are bargain hunters...I guess that also defines the difference between buyers at christie's and sotheby's and ebay.
Kind regards
Staartmees.
Hi Staartmees,
I’m not sure about that. Even if you are a very wealthy collector, the easiest way of getting an item is to wait till the end and put in a bid for £25,000 even though the piece is only worth, say, £10,000 Even if it ends on £18,000 that’s nothing to a wealthy collector.
Putting in incremental bids every day for the duration of an auction isn’t going to make it more likely that you’ll win. As Julia says, it also draws attention to the auction, potentially encouraging more competition?
I don’t see how this tactic ensures you have something at a fairer price?
Nic
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