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Hi everyone,
Hope you’re all well! I’ve been following the discussions but haven’t contributed much lately, so here goes!
Here are some of the lots coming up in my local auction. I’d be very interested in your opinions as ever. This auction isn’t known for its Chinese entries, there are usually lots of modern pieces and fakes. But I thought these were interesting:
Table screen 56cm:
18th century export plates:
Fish bowl (this is the one that I thought could be quite modern)
And finally, this ENORMOUS charger! Nearly 50cm! It was so heavy I could barely pick it up. This may be too big!
It would be great to know what you think!
Kindest Regards
Nic
Hi Nic,
The rose famille porcelain plaque looks OK based purely on two pictures.
It looks like late 19th, early 20th century but be aware that these are being copied in china today. Some I have seen recently have been of very high quality. Tell-tale signs are perfect glaze with a almost parched white back.
The frame/stand looks to my eye to be of a later period. I maybe wrong. I am not sure.
What is the description/estimate?
Mark
The pictures don’t enlarge well enough to be sure but to me the porcelain plate seems a modern copy. The people don’t have that typical Republic look.
The Qianlong plates are very nice as is the large charger. These old metal hangers have sometimes damaged the rim underneath, I would check that before bidding.
Birgit
Hi Mark, this is a provincial auction, so they’re pretty clueless on many specialist topics. Here’s the description:
The estimate is £200-£300, but they often grossly under estimate to entice people!
Nic
Hi Birgit,
Yes, the photos are shocking. I had to rush over in my lunch hour and had 35 lots to check out, I didn’t have time to photograph so I’ve had to use their photographs.
When you say ‘porcelain plate looks a modern copy’ due to the faces, do you mean the screen or the bowl?
Regards
Nic
Thank you Nic.
Siding on the train of thought of being a later copy the estimate is/could be high. In my opinion if you can buy for 100 pounds or less (Inc BP) then it is worth the punt.
If it turns out to be of a much later period then you should be able to recoup most/all of your money back.
Mark
Hi Mark,
thanks, that estimate would make sense if they’re winging it, which they probably are. It’s sad to have to say that I’m very suspicious of their descriptions, they are way off the mark on so many things, they seem to survive on wishful thinking!
Thank you for your advice, I’ll play it by ear.
Nic
Hard to judge the charger without seeing the reverse , it could even be a western 'willow pattern' type creation. Peter showed a massive 50cm + fake charger on one of his recent videos (probably famille rose , but I forget) and said they did not make such huge sizes (what would it used for ?), so this one too could be a modern fake.
The 3 qianlong dishes look ok , but are not the finest quality imo - see the oversize willow tree and strange conical shape building/structure in two of them.
The screen may have damage on the top left corner , and I have no idea whether it's old or not. This maybe a personal thing - but the composition of all the figures looks a mess, with too many people in one place , so my guess is the screen could be quite recent or C20th at oldest.
The fish bowl too looks a little off , but not sure.
tam
Hi there Tam,
yes, the size, weight and thickness of the charger does seem extreme! As I said, I could hardly pick it up, so I don’t know how someone would be able to safely hang it on a wall!
Thanks for the advice, I will probably give everything a miss.
Dear Birgit,
yes, I thought that’s what you meant. The fish bowl does look to be poor quality, I did have doubts about it.
I must admit I thought the screen was ok for early 20th century. I only wish I’d photographed the back so as to know for sure.
Thanks for the clarification.
Nic
Hi Nic,
if the three qianlong dishes are in good shape , are lotted together and you can get them cheaply then they might be a good buy - they look genuine , and a good size for display . But everything depends on the price.
tam
The Charger looks promising as late Qianlong but better pictures to confirm hand painted and also a picture of the reverse.
Chargers of this size are uncommon but known in Qianlong ; I was outbid on a damaged 56cm blue and white piece of which I already have a Bowl in the same unique hand painted pattern.
If it was hand painted and English porcelain it would be worth a lot of money but there are very very few 18th c English Blue and White hand painted pieces anywhere near this size and most are earthenware,not porcelain.
English porcelain started circa 1743,soft paste at first and hard paste came around 1748 ish with Plymouth Lunds factory.
I'd look again at the charger and shine a light through it to confirm porcelain as well as check if hand painted.
Good luck
Vic
Very large Chinese export porcelain charger decorated with a domestic scene in underglaze cobalt blue, c. 1780, Qianlong reign, Qing dynasty.
ø 55 cm, 22 in.
This was the pattern that I was after.
Well, I was unable to attend the auction as I woke up with a terrible chest infection! However, I did follow it online. I thought perhaps you’d all be interested in the results!
The table screen sold for £1200
The 3 Qianlong dishes sold for £380
The Goldfish bowl sold to a buyer in the USA for £600 (I know!)
The charger sold for £380
These are the hammer prices, so there’s commission, tax etc to pay on top.
I think the Qianlong dishes were an OK buy, because there are 3 of them. I could kick myself that I didn’t ask someone to help me look closer at the charger yesterday. There’s no way I could turn it over myself.
Vic - it’s interesting what you say about it possibly being earthenware as it was very chunky and very heavy. I have a smaller charger which is much more delicate. So you may be right there.
Nic
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