The Chinese and Asian Art Forum. For Fans, Collectors and Dealers.
Basic Rules For the BidAmount Asian Art Forum: Talk about whatever you want.  You can even discuss and offer things that are for sale if they are authentic.  Maximum image file  size per post is 2 MB. Images of 700pxl x 700pxl are optimal if saved at a medium resolution. Be respectful of others and enjoy yourself. Click the YouTube link for a brief tutorial on using the forum. You can also EMBED Videos by cutting and pasting from You-Tube, Vimeo etc. Â
NOTE: To post an item or add a new post, click open the category title from the FORUM LIST, and CLICK the Blue ADD TOPIC button.Â
This plate has been in a lot of discussions I personally don’t think it’s 20th century and I believe this is from the Imperial kiln. This is just an opinion.
Thanks for the extra photos, sorry I didn't have time to do much more than acknowledge you'd tagged me in a post.Â
I wouldn't worry about the border, this is more of a saucer than a plate and I have found a similar one on the British Museum website, which I will link below. I don't know if it is ruby back as that is the only photo.
As for the Christie's example John posted, those flowers Brian circled also lack shading. There are differences too, between the plate I have linked too and the one under discussion eg there are fewer lines / folds on the fabric of the woman's dress, yet the other two plates are similar.
I am still thinking Yongzheng, but to be sure, I would want to look at the additional pictures on a big screen later. I don't think it is Republic, I doubt it would have been made for use (ie there would likely be more around if a set) and as a piece of art it would probably have been bigger and marked.Â
Obviously, those are just my current thoughts. You may be advised to ask Peter, the fee is small compared to what you have paid out.
Good morning everyone,
The beauty of ladies are all gorgeous, all different if you line them up next to each other. For some reason, British Museum one is more like republic to me, Christines is Yongzheng, and this one is early 20th/ late 19th C. Most likely I am totally wrong, just want to put a discussion here and learn more from each others.Â
Regards,
Yin
Â
Â
Here are some pictures from the Book of Faces together with a screenshot of Al's dish. There was a revival of that style during Guangxu but I found no fitting examples in the Republic chapters.
Â
Â
Â
Birgit
Please forget the 1735 lady, she came in by mistake. I wanted to show the 1730 lady below with a similar clothing style to the one on Al's dish.
Birgit
Â
Hi Brigit,
these faces of ladies are a study on itself.... Thanks... (it does look like 1730)...where do you get this book... it is just fascinating!Â
One of the other thing that I wonder is the back... the paste does look quite clean... any comment on the footrim ? Also, did you notice the feather duster colour ? its like in pure black! that kinda made me feel...like something could be off.. but the drawing of the lady and the boy is nice.. plus to imagine this plate is only 16.4 cm ..
Thanks
AlexÂ
Hi Alex,
in my opinion the lady looks credible but there are different opinions here and I'm far from being an expert for Yongzheng. You might want to as Peter Combs for his opinion, the $12 are really worth it. This is the book of faces:
Birgit
I can see what you mean Yin, about the Museum plate looking Republic but it can't be as I have just read that it was donated by a Curator of the BM who died in 1897.
There is a zoomable image here - at least it confirms that a thin border was found on either late 19th or period saucers. As I said in the earlier post I still think this could well be Yongzheng.
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/A_Franks-443
Â
Here is a dish sold at auction as Republic period.
That ruby back looks very similar but also the rendering my issue with the posted plate as been the enamels and the rendering. This flower and the leaves are very much republic also was late Qing too. The lotus leaves on the table look like 20th century lotus leaves I haven’t found one rendered this way on a Yongzheng period example. The lack of shading all Yongzheng examples have good shading in the clothing. In the  Yongzheng plates the colors are bright and popping this plate is pretty neutral almost washed out. Better closeups of that flower are still needed but the enamels thickness are still inline with 20th century and late Qing.
Â
Another area that can be pointed to as to why this is more likely modern is the diaper border rendering, which is not done at a quality of the Yongzheng period, and maybe not even Republic either in my opinion based on the other examples posted. But I agree with others that it would be interesting to hear Peter's assessment, as this is an interesting study piece either way. JohnÂ
I have several general observations regarding your saucer.
I don’t think a modern porcelain decorator could resist placing a Yongzheng mark on the back to cap their efforts on this saucer.
I know that even in the 18th century there were always various degrees  of decorative skills based on the economics of production.  We tend to focus on imperial production skill levels which are basically ‘money is no object’.
Finally, there can be such variation in color tones from photos to monitors that I have never totally trusted this medium as the only source of authentication for a questionable piece. Â I would urge you to take your saucer to an expert for actual handling for their opinion. Â I hope you live near a city with these types of resources such as London, New York, or Paris.
John I noticed that too, but it is also evident on one of the other pieces. I haven't checked further than that.
Latest Post: Pair of Tall Chinese Ming Glazed Pottery Figures of Officials. $950.00 Our newest member: James Close Recent Posts Unread Posts
Thanks for visiting "The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art"
If you sell on eBay, or have a shop feel free to post images and descriptions and links.
Check back often for discussion about the latest news in the Chinese art and antique world. Also find out about the latest Asian art auctions at Sotheby's, Christie's, Bonhams and Tajans.
Auction results for: fine porcelain, ceramics, bronze, jade, textiles and scholar's objects. As well as Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese and other Asian cultures.
Thank you,
Peter Combs
Topics and categories on The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
Kangxi vases, Kangxi dishes and chargers, Kangxi ritual pieces, Kangxi scholar's objects, Qianlong famille rose, Qianlong enamels, Qianlong period paintings, Qianlong Emporer's court, Fine porcelain of the Yongzheng period. Chinese imperial art, Ming porcelain including Jiajing, Wanli, Xuande, Chenghua as well as Ming jades and bronzes.Â
Join the BidAmount Chinese and Asian art discussion board and forum today
The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
A free Asian art discussion board and Asian art message board for dealers and collectors of art and antiques from China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and the rest of Asia. Linked to all of the BidAmount Asian art reference areas, with videos from plcombs Asian Art and Bidamount on YouTube. Sign up also for the weekly BidAmount newsletter and catalogs of active eBay listing of Chinese porcelain, bronze, jades, robes, and paintings.Â
The art of calligraphy - and for the ancient Chinese it certainly was an art - aimed to demonstrate superior control and skill using brush and ink. Calligraphy established itself as one of the major Chinese art forms during the Han dynasty (206 BCE - 220 CE), and for two millennia after, all educated men were expected to be proficient at it.
The Museum’s collections of Asian art span nearly five millennia and encompass the cultures of China, the Himalayas, India, Japan, Korea, and Southeast Asia. In 2007, the Museum launched an initiative to create dedicated galleries for the collection, beginning with a gallery for the arts of Korea ...
Chinese art is full of symbolism, in that artists typically seek to depict some aspect of a totality of which they are intuitively aware.
China Online Museum is the finest online museum of Chinese art. It features Chinese calligraphy, painting, ceramics, bronzes, carving, and other artworks.
Chinese Ceramics & Works of Art. Overview Upcoming auctions Contacts Auction results ... Christie’s sales of Chinese ceramics and works of art showcase centuries of Chinese history. Held throughout the year in London, New York, Paris and Hong Kong, they attract a wide audience of collectors and connoisseurs vying for pieces as diverse as ...
Explore Asian Art Week. Contact the Specialist Department. Chinese Paintings ... Senior Specialist, Head of Sale. [email protected]. Tel:+1 212 641 5760. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 September 2019 at New York. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 ...
Discover an abundance of must-see art from all corners of a vast continent at Christie’s NY Asian Art Week. From contemporary classical and Chinese paintings to works with exemplary provenance from the Art Institute of Chicago, our Rockefeller Paza galleries will be full of ancient treasures and contemporary masterworks in a salute to the vibrant arts of Asia.
Sold to benefit The Art Institute of Chicago’s Asian Art Acquisition Fund, the sale features 84 lots with a focus on Ming and Qing porcelains, and offers a rare insight into the taste for collecting Chinese ceramics and works of art in the Midwest from the end of the 19th century through the 1980s. Highlights include two Wanli wucai garlic-head vases, a Qianlong mark and period, blue and ...
Specialist, Chinese Paintings, Christie's London Dr Malcolm McNeill is a Specialist in Chinese Paintings at Christie’s, based in London. He previously worked as an assistant curator of the Chinese collections and the Victoria and Albert Museum in London, as a researcher at the British Museum, and as a translator and tour guide at the National Palace Museum in Taipei.
The Christie's Education 2020 Conference: The Chinese Art Market 18 Jun 2019 Christie’s Education is delighted to announce our first international academic conference in Asia which will take place in Hong Kong from 26-27 November 2020 at the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre and will run in parallel with Christie’s Hong Kong Autumn Auctions.
The summer Chinese Art sale in Hong Kong will feature works of art from several private collections, including Qing porcelains and textile from the collection of the legendary Chinese art dealer A. W. Bahr (1877–1959), fine gilt bronze Buddhist sculptures from an old Hong Kong collection, an East Asian collection of Qing dynasty wine cups and jades, and a Japanese collection of Song ceramics ...
Sotheby's Chinese Works of Art Department holds two auctions each year in London, New York, Hong Kong and Paris.
Chinese Art - View Auction details, bid, buy and collect the various artworks at Sothebys Art Auction House.
With more than 340 Chinese works of art dating from the Neolithic to the Republic periods, highlights of this sale include a selection of Qing Imperial monochromes from the collection of Arnold and Blema Steinberg, early ceramics from the Art Institute of Chicago and Chinese porcelain and works of art from the collection of Henry Arnhold.
Results: Sotheby's Asia Week achieved $52.4 million in six strong auctions, exceeding pre-sale estimates. With 76.5% of lots sold and 60.3% of lots surpassing high estimates, the Asian art sales at Sotheby's indicate continued collector interest in the finest works of art from China, India and and the Himalayas.
Today's sale of Important Chinese Art will proceed as planned with sessions at 10 AM and 2 PM EDT. Sotheby's will be monitoring the weather conditions throughout the day and will be available to coordinate alternative bidding options should conditions make it difficult for clients to attend the auction in person.
Bonhams Chinese Art department is renowned for offering the finest works of art representing the richness and breadth of China's artistic heritage, particularly Imperial porcelain, white and spinach green jades, cloisonné and Buddhist art. Specialised international auctions are held globally, including London, Hong Kong and San Francisco.
Bonhams : Chinese Works of Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Chinese Art (US) General enquiries
Bonhams : Fine Chinese Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars Bonhams : Asian Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site.
Bonhams are international auctioneers of fine Chinese and Japanese art. We specialise in rare Imperial and Export Chinese ceramics and works of art, as well as Japanese ceramics, fine and decorative works of art from the Neolithic Period to the 20th century. View on map
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Asian Art Bonhams. Work. 22 Queen St.