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Hey Folks,
This just came in and I'm struggling to figure out the mark. The bottom character looks like Higashi 東, but the top character is on a curved part so I can't quite figure it out. It really doesn't help that there is very little data on the Takatori wares. The shape is a in a style that is known in the early Edo period and used through the 19th century, and the glaze is also known for these wares, but far less common than the yellow and green Takatori. The potting is super thin so i am thinking it is earlier rather than later, but probably not earlier than the 18th century, though it could very well be as I have seen a few marked examples as early as the 1580s or so, just seems unlikely to me, and probably just pre meiji as the pieces are often marked "Takatori" after 1820 or so. These rules were also flexible depending on the date and which of the kilns so its not really set in stone.
Anyone have any books on Takatori and other Chikuzen potteries? Or can anyone read the top character?
I squished some putty into the mark and then reversed the image so hopefully that helps....
Thanks,
Jeremy
An example of a similar form, more squat and rounder:
https://bunka.nii.ac.jp/heritages/detail/456127
Example of the glaze:
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/A_Franks-1840
Very cool! I know nothing about them but It kind of reminds me of flambe. Quite beautiful.
Thanks John,
I know fairly little, there seems very few things to study up on it. Its a cool glaze, Rice-straw-ash glaze, and totally reminds me of Flambe crossed with Jun wares... There's a few other areas where this glaze is sort of made in Japan but none this thinly potted nor is the color of the clay the same ( as far as I have found).
Its an interesting little thing.
Jeremy
Hi Jeremy,
Really nice. I can't really help either, other than to agree with you. Definitely old, pre-Meiji. You will, of course, have a difficult time dating this, beyond that. There just aren't many people who can date this type of thing. You might want to try sending the pics to a museum or two.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
Jeremy, beautiful glaze and another amazing old piece that would look right at home in a mid-century modern interior, but it should not surprise, since the best mid-century modern borrowed from the Japanese aesthetic.
Mark is
安東
Maybe is this guy:
https://japanese-ceramics.com/ando-riki-%E5%AE%89%E6%9D%B1%E5%88%A9%E5%96%9C/
Hey Todd,
Thanks!
I'm with you all the way, definitely reaching out to Louis Cort, but first I am waiting for my copy of Andrew Maske's book on Takatori wares to come in (Potters and Patrons in Edo Period Japan: Takatori Ware and the Kuroda Domain Andrew L. Maske) . There really is almost no information on the early wares of the region, rather frustrating. Even if the book isn't helpful in this case its worth adding to my refference library.
I'll update the thread if I figure it out.... or as I get feedback.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Thanks Sharon,
It is always amazing to me how these really old pieces fit right in in a modern setting, and with the mid-century design. A really interesting Mingei Movement bottle vase is hopefully being delivered today.... not really sure I think its up to Shoji Hamada standards, but still in his circle.... whats interesting to me is the influence of Momoyama and Edo potters on those guys who then influenced the mid 20th century European potters, especially the English ( think Bernard Leach, warren Mckenzie and the likes).... Of course then you have current potters influenced by these 20th century potter's forms, glazing in Kamakura and earlier ways..... Its really just such a neat feature of the folk kilns, they truly are timeless.
Jeremy
Hey Yin,
Thanks for the Kanji help. I don't think it is Ando Riki considering hes a Bizen potter, but I hope the mark comes in handy as I search the Japanese databases. Unfortunately there are seemingly 80 recorded and identified Takatori makers marks out of the estimated 1000 or more possible ones from the opening of the kiln through the Meiji period, though I am sure there are collectors who have a list tucked away somewhere.
I'm also pretty sure that the Mizusashi is a few hundred years older than Ando Rikki's work... but dang now I want a tokkuri made by him, they are pretty.
Thanks again,
Jeremy
So a small update.... nothing set in stone yet.
The book arrived, Potters and Patrons in Edo Period Japan: Takatori Ware and the Kuroda Domain by Andrew L. Maske, and there are three examples from the Takatoriyama kiln ( I'll add them below), from the first half of the 17th century that fit with my mizusashi in a few ways. Unfortunately in the book it is explained that there just isn't a whole lot of studies done on these kilns, so I possibly wont have an answer any time soon. That said the most likely candidate is the Takitoriyama kiln C. 1620-70 or so. One reason is the glaze, that type of blue glaze was made at a number of the kilns, but most are of a later daye when they required by edict that they be marked with the Marutaka mark, stating it an official Takatori produced piece, mine doesn't have that so I think it can be assumed that it does not date between the late 18th century and the end of the Meiji period. Another feature that was found on Takatoriyama Kiln pieces is that the trimming of the potted pieces is vertical, against the turning ridges, and it was noted after studying sherds from most of the Chikuzen kilns that this was exclusive to these early Takatoriyama wares, mine is trimmed vertically about mid-way up the body to the foot. Also the very iron rich body which is only found at a handful of the kilns, most fire greyish rather than red.
So while I am not positive I am certainly leading towards an early production. Now I guess its time to reach out to Mrs. Cort and perhaps Mr. Maske.... I'll update when I've heard back ( hopefully).
Cheers,
Jeremy
Or perhaps ask Robert McPherson...i believe he has a FB link.
Mark
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