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Dear all
The following pictures is taken handheld with my phone with flash.
If someone would help my identify or comment on one or some of the pieces would i be very grateful.
I believe the first one is a "standard" QingLong example, but not that certain of anything really. ?
Nr 2 large bowl, curious about this. 18. C also?
Nr 3 very freely drawn and thick plate (export premission seal)
Hi,
the plate no. 2 is a quite crudely executed typical export pattern. In 18th century they were done more carefully (picture below), so I think it is either 19th century or a non Chinese copy.
The bowl no.1 looks a bite crudely painted too but is quite charming, could be Chinese around 1800 but could also be a Japanese copy.
I like no. 3 most, but am completely at a loss about it.
Birgit
I think the fluted or ribbed bowl is probably Chinese C18th , very attractive and quite unusual for its sparse decoration , which does make it look a little Japanese in style;
the qianlong plate, I agree , could be towards the beginning of the C19th because it is not the finest (still interesting though , hand decorated it seems , with a very strong blue colour). Maybe you could post a picture of the base, for reference. Thx
And the thickly potted plate with a heavy blueish tinge to the glaze looks to be C19th or a bit later 'domestic ware' , with a very abstract decoration of an island/river and mountain scene.......I guess.
tam
Thanks Shinigami and Tam.
I agree that the large bowl is the most interesting of the three. It also has a nice feel to it.
Here is a picture of the base.
I also added some more objects from the same photosession.
Thank you,
Adrian
PS: The pictures are taking with my phone a Huawei P20 Pro which is a superb Chinese product as well ? However, it automatic adjust and saturates photos. If I decide to put them up for auction will i take pictures using a stand
The dating of the colored plate is correct with Qianlong I think. As for the dragon jar, it is really decorative with strong blue color. I have read that the "cross-hatch and dot" pattern of dragons' scales indicate a manufacture after 1860, on older pieces they painted every scale individually.
Birgit
Adrian and all,
I think that Tam and Shinigami have been a bit fooled by the fact that the pictures have been tasken by a phone.
I hate pictures taken by phone! ?
The blue and white plate, n.2, is surely Qianlong, as is the bowl nr. 1. The problem is that besides being the picture taken by phone, it also ahs been taken with flash light. Then: the software of the phone is designed to yield “nicer” pictures (see note 1) and the flash un-naturally increase the contrast of the image.
Thus, the plate looks cruder than it is in real.
(Note 1) It is my convincement that all the designers of cameras for phones and also many designers of real cameras are a bunch of idiots, who think that a camera should not represent the reality as it is, but “nicer”, i.e. increasing the color density, contrast, etc. Stupids!
The polychrome plate nr. 4 is interesting, because it has the shape common during Yongzheng, and the enamels too are more pushing toward Yongzheng than Qianlong. The whole decoration, including that on the rim, is typical Yongzheng. But that gold gilded “trefoil” band is typical of Qianlong, so in my opinion this plate is late Yongzheng/early Qianlong, somewhere in between. Nice and interesting one.
The dragon bowl is not Guangxu, it is later, I suppose second half of 20th century.
Giovanni
Hi,
I had a couple of similar plates to the polychrome one. You can have a look here:
Peter reckoned early Qianlong.
Best wishes,
Julia
Thank you Giovanni, i certainly agree with you regarding the the "smart" camera software.
To be honest often pieces looks better irl because the decoration often seems "hard" and not "gentle"
I like you pieces as well, can only assume they are made. Around the same period ?
The dating of the colored plate is correct with Qianlong I think. As for the dragon jar, it is really decorative with strong blue color. I have read that the "cross-hatch and dot" pattern of dragons' scales indicate a manufacture after 1860, on older pieces they painted every scale individually.
If that is the case then maybe this Vase may interest someone.
£20
Hi Short Dong,
this is the complete text from Anthony Allen's Detection of Fakes about dragons:
In the second half of the 19th century it appears the method of painting dragon's scales changed, from individual scales to that known as "cross-hatch and dot". This did not occur on every dragon, but sufficiently frequently for one to safely assume that "cross-hatch and dot scales" indicate a date of manufacture after circa 1860; modern copies excepted.
So not every dragon from 1860 or later shows the cross-hatch and dot scales, but those that do have these scales are most probably later than 1860. As to the Ebay vase the dating of the seller into the second half of the 19th century seems correct to me.
Birgit
Hi Short dong ,
I would be wary of this blue ground vase - these so-called 'dayazhai' pieces , made according to the Empress Dowager Cixi's taste and instructions in the C19th are nice , there are two featured in one on Peter's videos , but the real ones are getting rare and expensive, and they have been heavily copied, in the early C20th and later.
The painted dragon here, on the neck, seems very poorly done , the yellow on the mouth /rim is harsh, and the flowers are also quite crudely painted. The footrim also looks C20th.
I would think it's a later copy , maybe mid C20th, and not so desirable , especially with damage.
tam
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