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The foot rim does look Guangxu, but to me the decoration still looks quite passable for Tongzhi. However, when Emperors died and a new one took over, not everything changed overnight so stylistically, one might expect there to be overlap and maybe it is better to talk dates rather than reigns.
I find the word China odd, not for the mistake but for the style. The most obvious thing is the very wide spacing of the letters. I can't comment on the label but we all know they can be added later. It made me wonder if people moving to the US with items made in and acquired in China, also had to mark their items with country of origin - does anyone know?
@julia If "China" markings were used from 1890 and onward (till 1914 when paper labels were used at the begging) - Tongzhi reign ended 1875..
15 years it is still very large gap to me.
This thread is in real detective manner..And I am beginner myself, I just can appreciate such threads as there is a lot to learn.
@lotusblack Brian, my question would be - how the artist can draw such a nice pattern, and then how possibly artist can fail when writing "china" on a bottom?
It wasn’t the same person who wrote CHINA and did the decoration. Usually not even the painting was done by one person only. Some painted outlines, others filled them with color. Some did only rim decoration, others only marks. And of course additional marks could have been added at a later date.
Birgit
Additional marks being added later is what I am thinking (sorry if that wasn't clear) as to me there is the possibility that this belonged to someone in China, purchased soon after manufacture and was exported later. Hence my question.
I was trying to find a similar China mark, but failed. Could it have been written by someone not involved in the production? To me it seems very different to the fatter closely spaced marks one usually sees. Davison only talks of stamped marks or hand-written blue ones, yet this seems to be neither.
@lucky 1890 to 1914 means item was ready to ship. 1914 label means item shipped sometime after 1914. Neither prove manufactured date. Julia has a point this could have been a domestic item and purchased by a westerner requiring origin marks during shipping. Or even purchased in main land China and had to be declared with customs. I believe this has to be judged by the style that it most likely renders. There are a lot of qualified examples of both reigns.
That is interesting. I hadn't thought of that but it would explain the different style.
Edit: Davison does mention marks scratched into the enamel or glaze but doesn't refer to them being filled with ink.
Markings on a bottom as "China" and "Made in China" were used when intending when recognizing the origins of the country of Export. I don't think that the paper label on the bottom has to anything to do with customs and theirs approval to export the item. Probably more like for reasonable bookkeeping on imports. I think the label, came from manufacture as an informative message to the end buyer in the shop, let's say in the U.S.
Probably when we think about "customs", there was quite an opposite story of what we have today as export/import in regards to customs.
He are some other examples that represent these two periods.
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