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@lotusblack Are you alluding to the piece we were discussing not that long ago then the page got taken down etc? I'm just asking because I was looking forward to hearing how that turned out and if you wanted to share about the experience, etc.? If not, no problem. Just curious and living a little vicariously through your experience.
@johnshoe so let me put it this way after a long conversation from a leading Asian expert. I can’t mention the contact. A very lengthy discussion took place. There are people that don’t want authentic pieces showing up. For many reasons one reason is fakes are being developed to black market originals. Secondly there are very serious collectors that don’t feel someone with a thrift store find is deserving of such pieces. And finally. The investor not small fry guy I’m talking millions don’t want a second or third popping up. I was warned by several members but it was already to late. The trolls were already at work. The Chinese make accounts all of the auction houses are screening more people are involved than you would imagine. I was inexperienced in this market and it’s understanding on how powerful a mistake I made by showing a piece and letting it be judged. People actually were attacking me like I was a master potter and developed a Imperial bowl on my free time. The more evidence I presented the worst it became. This industry is terrified of science because science could tear a rift the size of the black hole. But there were several experts that did ask the right questions and authenticated my piece. I’m ok with sharing that my bowl was deemed a authentic private order from the Qinglong period. Because of the grief and what I learned about the industry I decided to not auction or private sale. I have been offered both. I’m keeping it so people in America mostly children can actually touch and view a real treasure. I guess you can call it my legacy. Because I believe this amazing art form is being looted and soon there will not be many great finds to have. Now saying that I learned a little trick if you put it on eBay and you get multiple offers in a few minutes from buyer in China you probably should take another look at your item.
Another clue to add
I found a link where you can see some similar jars that also have the prominent luting line. But with molded decoration and small handles added. From the Nanhai 1 shipwreck at Koh Antique. http://www.koh-antique.com/nanhai/nanhaimain.html
Yaun period pot same shape same base same neck. Same position of luting line.
I don't mean to be argumentative, just constructive so may I say that it isn't quite the same shape. The neck and the foot line up in a balanced way. If you look at yours, which I will post here as it is hard to keep flipping back, they don't.
Naturally, that may not matter but on the other hand .... Or it could be a trick of the photo angle.
I also have been doing research as this is very interesting and I do feel more convinced by the glazing and yellow showing through, having found similar items which I feel safe in thinking are genuine.
However, I still need convincing on the base and size/ shape.
Definitely right to auction with as few claims as possible. It is a nice vase and should get some interest I hope.
I have now found a Yuan jar that, apart from the ribbed body, is a similar shape to yours. I can't copy it but no matter, I was going to share this anyway as it may interest others so I will paste it here. It is plate 18 - now just to convince me on the base and size. 😉 😊
I hope this link works. I may have to get Mark to help again!
No it didn't!
I can't do it, but paste this into a search and it will come up and you can download it.
chineseceramicsthewongcollection300.pdf
Julia, this link should work. Just delete everything after the .PDF from above:
@lotusblack So if I find something I think could be Imperial, then from your experience what do you think the best plan of action is? It sounds like posting it here might not be a good idea from what you're saying. Did the major auction house believe your piece to be authentic, or did they not get on board? If you had to do it again what would you do differently? It is interesting to hear your opinions about authentic pieces sometimes not being welcomed into the market. Are you saying that you were told that by the major auction house people or did that information come from someone else?
While searching for yingqing - another name for qingbai - I came across this jar for sale in Singapore that compares well with the shape and also have a wide foot-ring. https://www.carousell.sg/p/%E5%85%83%E6%9C%9D%E5%BD%B1%E9%9D%92%E5%88%BB%E8%8A%B1%E5%A4%A7%E7%BC%B6-%E6%B9%96%E7%94%B0%E7%AA%91-yuan-dynasty-yingqing-carved-flower-da-fou-hutian-kiln-1054783581/
@johnshoe if you have something authentic and it’s worth a lot of money and your intent is to auction it off. Your better off not posting it or at least if you get an appraisal don’t post the results they could be wrong. But I would just contact a Asian expert and let them handle it. As for information on auction house if you develop a contact it’s best to keep anything said to yourself if you what any future help. That mean you don’t want to say hey mrs from Sotheby’s told me it real it doesn’t quite work that way. High dollar buyers don’t want scrutinized items.
@Brian Crowe/lotusblack I would strongly advice to get experts opinion on this jar. Eventually send pictures to Christie's and/or Sotheby's. I'm very unsure of the value but this COULD possibly be a high value item that could carry an estimate in the $100,000 range but I'm absolutely not certain. But if you prefer to list it on eBay as a qingbai style wine pot then go ahead - it is your jar and your choice.
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