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I don't know much but I will stick my neck out and say I think this is a much later copy. I am more than happy to be proved wrong as I will learn something by it and Brian will be ecstatic!
I think the jars from this period tended to be smaller. I have concerns about the base, especially the two-tone colouring and why can't we see the swirl that you can see on the base inside the jar?
The other thing is the colour that is showing through. It is a similar yellowish colour to the one on the base inside the footrim making it appear that the glaze has worn off at lots of places which looks unnatural. The glaze on the Sotheby's one shows nothing like that. It is a fluid covering which has pooled lightly to highlight the decoration, very beautifully.
Last point, I thought these pieces were made from a whiter clay which may help provide the cooler tones we can see on the Sotheby's one - the yellowing makes yours seem warmer.
Still a nice jar, I think it is very attractive and I hope I am wrong, I probably am! Those are just my observations.
@julia I’m in no position to disagree. I have read few museum and other forums. They all say the paste should be sugary or feel like fine sand paper it does they also said there will be paint brush marks on the inside walls there are. The orange color is ok they said and typical as there where over 40 kilns each using different paste. But I have a theory if deemed authentic. I could be a tomb loot. Every post I did read said one thing no one will be able to authenticate it without holding it. That the only way due to perfect faking they can’t fake the touch.
@lotusblack A hard scrub with a sponge or cloth. I had to really scrub one that had been puttied down to a stand. I used a nylon net over sponge scrubber on it to get the accumulated gunk off, so the foot could be evaluated. Your foot is clean enough as is for evaluation.
So I have learned some things about Qingbai that were interesting. First was that in certain kilns the glaze will never fuse with the body it is glass like and other kilns the glaze does fuse to the body. These differences are what causes crackling vs non. The orange color or brownish is normal because the cracks and chipping have introduced organic material the staining is actually bacteria. This pot if older was probably buried at some point in a hole. Where water was introduced letting bacteria to form.
The orange staining is bacteria? Where did you read that? I'm awaiting delivery of this qingbai ewer that has the same orange staining. From the pictures I have I can't see if the orange color is residue, discoloration/staining or the glaze that thins so that the orange burnt biscuit is revealed. I would guess that this is something that reduces the value dramatically so it's good if it's staining from bacteria because then it can probably be cleaned off although it should best be done professionally. Or at least great care should be taken.
I read it on a website about staining on crackle and chipped areas but on another website it said it could be iron oxide staining also I guess some glazes have high iron
It looks like a Yuan style reproduction. Right away the shape is wrong. The glaze and the way it ends at the foot is also not correct for the period. The bottom and interior look new.
The shape is correct in my opinion. While I can't find jars that have the luting line many qingbai vases and ewers seems to have it. The clean base with the sharp edges and the unglazed clean interior was the only two aspect i found a little suspect too but I don't see them as incorrect. There are so many variations of bases on qingbai ware and maybe the jar has already been cleaned once by someone? Overall my impression is that the jar is likely an authentic period piece. Here is a qingbai vase at Sotheby's that also has a clean unglazed base with sharp edges. https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2018/works-of-art-from-the-morpurgo-collection/55e875a2-b3e7-43f8-a2cb-ae701f5f78ae
Just adding a link to a related qingbai jar available at Sotheby's in 2007 with a high estimate at $100,000 but left unsold. 31,8 cm.high without the lid and with a fine glaze without the orange staining. https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/lot.1518.html/2007/fine-chinese-ceramics-and-works-of-art-hk0263
Same jar was sold at Christie's in 2009 for $64,824. http://elogedelart.canalblog.com/archives/2009/12/12/16121334.html
I think there is a lot of people that think Chinese pottery as only being one sided. It would be like saying everything is a copy just because. Most of the items I see sell on Sotheby’s or Christie’s are in excellent condition very clean are they all copies. I have read many stories of shipwrecks and shard collections talk about many different forms over a large period of time. Just because it’s clean which I scrubbed it myself. Or doesnt have exactly same shape or glaze it’s some what different doesn’t mean it’s a resent copy. We need to think like they did back in the day. Hundreds maybe thousand of potters with each their own traits could produce just about anything. There is not enough science because this scam is being controlled by the Chinese and big auction houses are taking place. I have the pot so I see the things most don’t like the aged crackle the micro ware covering the pot. The glaze under a loop has waves and the feel and control of the pot. When someone says modern I wish it was because they have seen one. Master copiers don’t invent their own shape add a joint stop the glaze differently they don’t make it out of place they look at a picture and copy the item. The Chinese have copied wares for centuries it might be for any reason so are they fakes also. I don’t know if my jar is real or not but I have found many shards online and examples all from museums with the exact same glaze. I have yet to find one confirmed modern piece with my glaze yet.
Well, Brian, there seems to be different views on your vase. I think if were mine the next move would be an assessment by Peter. For the $12 or so it might give you an idea whether to go further and get a formal appraisal from an auction house or sell it off as a designer/reproduction piece. You’ll only be into it for $52 at that point, sell it on for double your money. It is still a good looking vase.
@ronm I have been down that road before no thank you sir. 2 experts said copy and 8 experts said authentic but the 2 muddy the waters and that’s the end so I’ll pass. But I agree with you $52 dollars slap that bad boy on eBay and let it ripe.
@lotusblack Maybe it will be gone before it gets ripe, good luck, I suppose you can describe it as an Asian pot and let the market decide what it is worth.
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