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Hey all,
Now this one is special to me since I have been hunting for an example of Qingbai for my collection for quite sometime....
I think this is a Fujian example maybe song dynasty.
Similar types were found on the Jepara wreck.
Unfortunately the spout is a replacement... but to be honest, Im happy to have an example.
Does this thing look okay?
Jeremy
I should add that there is quite a bit of overspray on it, so the color may be off a bit....
Hey folks,
No responses yet but did find this. Very similar form for example:
I know nothing about these wares, but the color looks like the example with the metal spout (replacement too). The bluish celadon is lovely.
Thanks Sharon,
Far from an expert myself, so I was nervous about it, but I really really wanted one. But I got a few shots in the sun which gives an idea of the color, and I am feeling much more comfortable about it now that I found the RM Auctions one.
Jeremy
Sorry, time got away from me and I was still obsessing over black wares!
All I have in Qingbai are two bowls, but I observed the foot rim and base are very distinctive.
The glaze extends over the foot and into the inner recessed surface leaving the only un-glazed surface a circular patch in the middle of the base. If I remember my reference works correctly, they were fired on little lumps of clay. I think that is why there are stained patches on the surface from the different colored clay kiln supports.
The paste used for Qingbai wares was quite white with a sugary texture. The glaze worked well with incised decoration as it pooled into a slightly darker blue.
The first bowl has a single flower blossom floating on a wave like water surface. I am again struck by the elegance of this design. There is some firing stress crazing around rim of this thinly potted bowl. It has also probably been polished to remove the brownish hazy stains that can be a problem due to the Qingbai glaze. The second dish has the well documented “foliage and baby” design. There are scattered hazy brown patches on the inner surface. This is caused by grim collecting on the raised surfaces of the incised decoration which have burst bubbles on the glaze surface. The bubbles are very small so you don’t feel any “orange peel” texture. Soaking in a peroxide solution will remove most of the accumulation of grim.
Thank you for sharing these bowls, they are stunning, the carved relief work I find extremely attractive. It is interesting that the glaze covers the foot, I had never realized that because they were fired on clay mounds or clumps this was a feature, but now that you mention it I recall seeing this, as well as some fired on their rims.
Definitely soaking in peroxide to clean the grime out of the tiny bubbles and cracks.
Thanks again,
Jeremy
@jbeer2121 sorry I am a bit late to the party here!
I can concur 100% with @william that there is a clear look to Qingbai bases. Here are two I have:
An incised "boys" bowl from the Southern Song period:
And a lotus form bowl from Norther/Southern Song:
You can see that foot rim glaze overlap and the burnt areas of the "sugary" lighter paste.
Best,
Justin
Justin,
Thanks for the examples, and I love that color of your shallow bowl, beautiful.
I actually posted the ewer on the gotheborg forums, before getting responses here, and a few nearly identical ewers were posted and the general consensus is that it dates late 11th-13th century, produced in the Fujian kilns (likely Minnan), and looked just fine, though the spout is a definite replacement.
Some examples were from the Flying Fish shipwreck, Jepara shipwreck, Huaguangjiao 1 shipwreck.
There is a nearly identical one pictured on page 31 of this paper below.
sorry I should have updated sooner.
Jeremy
@jbeer2121 That is great news! All that I have to compare to is bowls, so of course an ewer would be an understandable different base.
I think that is something that took me a while to realize, and still have a hard time with - the nuances in bases between different forms from the same kilns in the same time periods.
A great find with a beautiful glaze!
Best,
Justin
Thanks Justin,
I am super pumped. There is certainly a lot of variation, one reason I am very hesitant about these early wares, many different regional kilns produced so many of the same types of wares, and the feet and trimming and color is just slightly different. Very confusing, but also makes for an interesting collection.
Jeremy
The leaf design certainly is common to the Qingbai ware - several examples are in the Locsin book including spout shapes.
The dish with indented rim is the best in your pic! Nice example!
Sorry, time got away from me and I was still obsessing over black wares!
All I have in Qingbai are two bowls, but I observed the foot rim and base are very distinctive.
The glaze extends over the foot and into the inner recessed surface leaving the only un-glazed surface a circular patch in the middle of the base. If I remember my reference works correctly, they were fired on little lumps of clay. I think that is why there are stained patches on the surface from the different colored clay kiln supports.
The paste used for Qingbai wares was quite white with a sugary texture. The glaze worked well with incised decoration as it pooled into a slightly darker blue.
The first bowl has a single flower blossom floating on a wave like water surface. I am again struck by the elegance of this design. There is some firing stress crazing around rim of this thinly potted bowl. It has also probably been polished to remove the brownish hazy stains that can be a problem due to the Qingbai glaze. The second dish has the well documented “foliage and baby” design. There are scattered hazy brown patches on the inner surface. This is caused by grim collecting on the raised surfaces of the incised decoration which have burst bubbles on the glaze surface. The bubbles are very small so you don’t feel any “orange peel” texture. Soaking in a peroxide solution will remove most of the accumulation of grim.
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