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@lotusblack It looks like Christie’s sold two Republic or late Qing (they’re not sure?) jardinieres and stands with a very similar mark as mine (especially that P looking mark of character 3). Lot 26 of online auction 18417 Chinese Ceramics and Works of Art. A pair of gilt-decorated coral-ground jardinieres and stands. It seems Christie’s would not mention Qing if not a possibility, would they? Interesting that watersilkdragon doesn’t have this mark (with the third character P) on their site with a whole bunch of Republic Marks. Thanks for all the info. I’m still looking for an exact mark like mine on another monochrome (or otherwise) piece.
This "P" or "EP" mark is the imperial mark, in the 20th century, a lot of fakes were made with fake marks, and a lot of not fakes also had fake marks, so the marks don't matter, the object itself matters, the shape, the colour, to me they look like republican or late qing dynasty because of this bright red colour, but I don't know anything about monochromes, but the colour is very different from a Qianlong piece to me, but I also could be wrong, because I really don't know anything about monochromes, for example, these vases from the Gotheborg:
https://gotheborg.com/marks/20thcenturychina.shtml
"1394. Mark: Qianlong yuzhi - "Qianlong Period, Made", tentative date Early Republic, c. 1930"
have the same marks, but were made in 1930
but a good option is to send them to Peter, he asks $12, but I am sure he will tell you what they are and how much they are worth
@88teo88 I apologize. I am not being very clear. I know these are not Qianlong. I was wondering if late Qing or Republic, but that may not be able to be determined. Watersilkdragon was mentioning the nice hand written Qianlong marks were more likely late Qing, but the piece itself seems more likely Republic. Anyway, it’s a little more orangeish than red.
Same characters but not same mark, one from 1930 is double boxed and the coral bowls no box at all and better looking mark. I second the advice on the $12.00 investment, as they may have significant potential. If you do send to Peter, please let us know the result. Best Wishes for a Win, Sharon
@sharonp do you mean send pictures or send the bowls? This probably sounds crazy, but I feel they should be in a Chinese museum somewhere. I saw two monochrome yellow ones on watersilkdragon that seemed just like these and were in a museum in China. I’m not saying they’re “extremely” valuable, just that a museum would like them to display as an example.
@centralpapottery Peter offers the identification assistant service here on the site, so it is pictures that you can send to him for an assessment that he charges $12 for. You would not send the actual pieces to him, only pictures.
@sharonp sorry to bother you, Sharon. So the potential is there even if they are late Qing or Republic, which I’m 90% confident they are. And, not sure if you can (are allowed to) answer this, but does potential mean $1000 or $10000? I probably wouldn’t bother him if it’s 1. He’s a busy man.:)
@centralpapottery I cannot tell you if they are old or new, just that I have asked him about bowls that turned out to be nineteen-sixties Japanese, just because I wanted to know more about them and not wonder about them any longer.
@centralpapottery peter kindly answers all inquiries regardless of age or authenticity. He's never irritated if you send him something to look at - he seems to very much enjoy helping us all learn. The whole point is to get his assessment to be more certain about what you have, not to have to know in advance before sending him pictures, because if you already were positive then you wouldn't then need his assessment in the first place.
@johnshoe thanks. I spoke with him about 6 years ago when I first bought a Chinese baby blue 6” vase… for 17 cents and my first piece.:) He was extremely kind. He pointed out the upside-down Y on the third character and revealed it was nice but not m&p. Still brought $700. I’m 90% confident these are genuine late Qing or early Republic. I bought the four Coral bowls with five other late Qing to 1930s pieces (which, I know doesn’t mean much). I’ll probably send him some photos today if I can figure it out on my phone. All four hand written marks are undoubtedly by the same artist with very slight variations to spacing and length of strokes. I have been looking, but have not been able to find a set like this. Actually haven’t even found an all Coral bowl from this period with no decoration sell. I evidently am not a good searcher.
I paid the $12 for Peter’s thoughts. He felt somewhere between 1915 - 1925 because of the rim and orange peel. He wasn’t sure of the third character, but by the sounds of it, by our discussion here, the Imperial aspect of the mark doesn’t seem to mean much. Maybe just that whoever marked them thought they were fairly high quality. Or do you think they were actually ordered by some Imperial person? May never know. He felt that whenever I sell them I should keep them together. Anyway, there you have it.
Just say Republic, which seems to be having a moment.
For those interested, I found the exact mark by a different artist. If you google Christie’s Online Auction 18417 Chinese Ceramics and Works of Art, lot 26 A Pair of Gilt-Decorated Coral-Ground Jardinieres and Stands Late Qing Dynasty-Republic Period.
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