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If Samson tried to copy Chinese style, the elephants may not have been depicted as the French knew them to be but rather as they felt the Chinese saw them.
It is interesting that there is no green, it is hard to find comparatives for this pattern, it must be quite rare, but all those I have seen have at least a splash of green on them. It probably means nothing, I just find things like that interesting. ?
I have tried, but I can't get myself convinced that an 18th c Chinese tea pot has so many holes. The ones I have had, have far fewer.
Very interesting thread - do you have a photo of the inside of the lid? Is it fully glazed?
It is glazed inside, but the rim and the "fitting" is unglazed. When I first looked at it the unglazed porcelain reminded me of the armourial tureen (which is late Yongzheng/early Qianlong) I posted last year on here. The porcelain is dense and very smooth.
@julia Pics are in the last post on page 1 of the topic 😀
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Gosh, that was quick! That is pretty much how I would expect it to look. The only thing that is noteworthy to me is that the glazed area, as with the base, is very clear and pure and seems better quality than the rather slapdash depiction of the flowers. It is all so interesting, isn't it?
I have just taken a photo of a Qianlong teapot lid that I have, for comparison:
Other than the slight difference to the glazed area, they compare well.
Why, look what I found!
Notice the tazzas! That is identical decoration if I ever saw it! 😀 😀 😀
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Gosh, that was quick! That is pretty much how I would expect it to look. The only thing that is noteworthy to me is that the glazed area, as with the base, is very clear and pure and seems better quality than the rather slapdash depiction of the flowers. It is all so interesting, isn't it?
I have just taken a photo of a Qianlong teapot lid that I have, for comparison:
Other than the slight difference to the glazed area, they compare well.
They do indeed! Check the Christies link I just posted, the two tazzas have the same pattern as my teapot! That is kinda cool!
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Wow! Now I could see the teapot being maybe 19th c, that would fit the holes, and also the shape seems later - more elongated, less squat.
Wow! Now I could see the teapot being maybe 19th c, that would fit the holes, and also the shape seems later - more elongated, less squat.
I've had no success finding a teapot with the same shape, handle and sprout, but I was mostly looking at Qianlong pieces, so that might explain it. Still, wouldn't the quality point towards early, rather than later, 19th c??? :O
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I have also noticed that the trousers on your chap are possibly green, they just don't look it on my screen. I shall stop finding that interesting. ☹ ?
Maybe early 19th c, check for similar shapes around then and see what comes up.
Is it possible that it’s a coffee pot or hot water pot, rather than a teapot? It has more the shape of Chinese ‘lighthouse’ coffee pots rather than teapots?
Nic
Is it possible that it’s a coffee pot or hot water pot, rather than a teapot? It has more the shape of Chinese ‘lighthouse’ coffee pots rather than teapots?
Nic
I'll give that a go too, thanks Nic!
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The shape is unusual for what i normally see , it's kind of a Georgian style small coffee pot shape , Maybe it's a Chinese imitation of a Georgian coffee pot . Trade was rife between the British and India at that time and that was about the time we started to invade the country so there maybe a link in there somewhere.
The bare paste on the foot tells you it cannot be French , French porcelain paste was glassy .
The shape of the pot will be the biggest giveaway to it's age
Carl
Hello All,
Very interesting thread. I think those posters who feel that the tea pot is Chinese but later than 18th century maybe are closer to the truth. If you use a little imagination you can see from the shape and angles of the handle and spout a slight connection to a famous aesthetic movement tea pot depicting a man with one arm on his hip and the other arm bent and outstretched in the air. Perhaps a bit to fanciful on my part. In my view what make's this tea pot Chinese is the elephant and rider. When painting westerners the Chinese often show them riding animals and wearing a red hat this has been discussed here at Bid Amount in other threads. As others have mentioned the overall painting maybe a little stiff but the expression on the Elephants face makes it Chinese for me. Bear in mind westerners to the Chinese mind does not necessarily mean a European.
Michael.
I'm beginning to fear it might not be that old at all... same shape, although there are some slight differences... not really sure what to believe anymore.
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It looks very good to me.
This small pic seems to have the same floral garland around the cartouche.
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Michael, that is a similar shape but it lacks that kind of Georgian elegance.
I still don't feel yours is Qianlong although I am happy to accept it as Chinese. I know little about Samson, I opted for that because it didn't look quite Qianlong to me, but I know they copied export porcelain. The things that made me feel it wasn't Qianlong (the glaze of the base and inside the lid, the many holes, the shape and the stiffness) would arguably be resolved by a later date ie sometime in the 19th c - although given the holes, I would say possibly likely to be more mid than early.
Anyway, I was still intrigued by all this and I decided to collect the variations of the pattern in one post as I have now read twice, that 3 services were made. If yours is later, then there must be more. This is what I have found:
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