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Hi, picked this up today, guessing it was a Qianlong export teapot for the Indian marked, maybe? ?
Would it be possible to date it more precisely than just Qianlong (if it is Qianlong)? Thanks!
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2nd half of pictures
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Michael, at the risk of being wrong, I think it is indeed Chinese export, this by looking at the body and the glaze. What I do find curious is the depiction of the elephant and rider. It looks to have been painted by some one who has never seen an elephant, maybe it’s a wooly mammoth.?. It also looks to be snarling and the tusks turn down rather than up. The rider looks to have European facial features rather than Asian, or East Indian.
So my inexperienced opinion, Chinese export (Qing) for the European market, and the elephant and rider are a mystery to explain. I look forward to hear what the smart experienced folks have to say.
Ron
Michael, at the risk of being wrong, I think it is indeed Chinese export, this by looking at the body and the glaze. What I do find curious is the depiction of the elephant and rider. It looks to have been painted by some one who has never seen an elephant, maybe it’s a wooly mammoth.?. It also looks to be snarling and the tusks turn down rather than up. The rider looks to have European facial features rather than Asian, or East Indian.
So my inexperienced opinion, Chinese export (Qing) for the European market, and the elephant and rider are a mystery to explain. I look forward to hear what the smart experienced folks have to say.
Ron
Thanks for your reply, Ron!
Actually, the "wrong" depiction of the elephant is rather typical, according to Eva Ströber "Symbols on Chinese Porcelain: 10.000 X Happiness". It seems to stem from the fact that most of the people that painted the porcelain had never seen an elephant in real life! 😀 I think it adds a great deal of charm to it! 😀
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Nice piece , not a common piece of export porcelain i would assume , Mid to late Qianlong maybe .
Nice find
Here is a plate with similar decoration
Carl
Hi Michael,
Very nice tea pot. Great elephant as I have said before I really like the way the Chinese paint and draw animals. Elephants are often depicted with very wrinkled skin or extremely hairy. As Ron said the painter had most likely never seen an elephant. Although Elephants have been depicted in Chinese art for a very long time. In fact Elephants were native to China in recorded historical times. There are Shang dynasty bronzes depicting Elephants. They have down turned tusks so maybe the painter of your tea pot and Carl's plate had seen these bronzes.
Michael.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephants_in_ancient_China
What a lovely teapot!
I do have a few reservations about age/origin mainly the European face, the static quality of the figure, the base and the spout holes but obviously I am one of the less-knowledgeable people here so I am throwing this out there just for someone to tell me this is all fine.
But just to finish my mental thread, I was wondering if it might be Samson? Or a later version of the 3 designs?
Julia
I would rule out Samson in my opinion at least , The footrim and glaze are completely different on Samson pieces . Just my thought of course but my feeling is that the foot , glaze and enamels are fine for 18th century export , The stiffness of the painting could also be a product of it being an export piece that was probably done in large quantities by lesser quality artists.
But yes it would be nice to get an opinion of someone with more experience than me to make a clearer judgement.
Carl
Julia, I tend to agree with you. Samson was my first impression too, due to all the reasons you already noticed. The plate from Carl‘s link is also Samson in my opinion, the white on white decoration is typical for them.
Birgit
There is one listed here, with pictures of the back. That is NOT a Samson back, IMO.
https://www.rubylane.com/item/586567-RL-0001482/Antique-18th-century-Chinese-Ex78port-Famille
There is a nice write up here about the pattern, unfortunately, I have none of the listed literature:
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Here is one from Christies:
https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/a-chinese-famille-rose-dish-for-the-5167680-details.aspx
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An interesting thread, learned some thing new, and that’s always good. I to had passing thoughts of Samson but the foot is clearly Chinese, and if of European production, every zoo in Europe had elephants so there should be no dought on how to draw a proper one.
on reading the texts in the links, the same background notes are used word for word between the Belgrave link and the Galrien link. These are two different plates with the same pattern, but notice one has an Asian face and the other does not. Also notice the other two links have faces in a darker complexion I would think relects an East Indian.
Now back to the rather rustic decoration of Michaels tea pot, I wonder if this is a period Chinese copy from one of the non commissioned potteries.
An interesting thread, learned some thing new, and that’s always good. I to had passing thoughts of Samson but the foot is clearly Chinese, and if of European production, every zoo in Europe had elephants so there should be no dought on how to draw a proper one.
on reading the texts in the links, the same background notes are used word for word between the Belgrave link and the Galrien link. These are two different plates with the same pattern, but notice one has an Asian face and the other does not. Also notice the other two links have faces in a darker complexion I would think relects an East Indian.
Now back to the rather rustic decoration of Michaels tea pot, I wonder if this is a period Chinese copy from one of the non commissioned potteries.
It might be. There is a mention in the text that there are 3 different versions, but from what I can gather from the pictures, all the examples we have linked to are of the same version. I also considered if it could jiaqing, there are some similarities between this decoration and the decoration on some armourial pieces made for the East India Company around 1798, especially concerning the composition of the decoration, the border decoration, as well as the decoration on the spout. https://www.woolleyandwallis.co.uk/departments/asian-art/pg200509-2/view-lot/496/
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As Samson tried to copy Chinese style, the elephants may not have been depicted as the French knew them to be but rather as they felt the Chinese saw them - maybe?
It is interesting that there is no green, it is hard to find comparatives for this pattern, it must be quite rare, but all those I have seen have at least a splash of green on them. It probably means nothing, I just find things like that interesting. ?
I have tried, but I can't get myself convinced that an 18th c Chinese tea pot has so many holes. The ones I have had, have far fewer.
Very interesting thread - do you have a photo of the inside of the lid? Is it fully glazed?
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