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Plucked these guys yesterday. They were filthy, filthy, filthy! I think I finally got to the wood after cleaning for over an hour. Turned out pretty good. I think the two tier table is circa 1880-1900 and the nesting tables probably 1920ish, but I'm not 100%. I only pictured the smallest nesting table in the set of 4. Does anyone recognize the wood grain? Also, I have noticed a spike in Chinese furniture prices over the past couple years. Does late Qing early Republic pieces command attention? And does anyone have a good idea of current market value. JT
Hi Jamie,
The two tiered stand is a very nice example. Could be in my opinion circa 1850.
I have had a good look at your pictures. I am having trouble with them as I am using a mobile phone. The wood I think is two types here. I don't want to speculate at the moment as to what it is. I would however appreciate it if both @Greeno107 and @Brettm could possibly give their opinion. I think it is a fantastic find from the attic. It also appears to be signed.
The other one is I believe probably from the Republic period.
Your absolutely correct. Chinese furniture for the most part has increased dramatically in the past few years. But not all. Woods such as Zitan, Huanghuali and Hongmu just to mention a few have really excelled. Especially if they are from the Ming to early Qing period.
Whilst guangxu/republican period furniture is not as expensive as its counterparts from the Ming period it is in my opinion well worth buying but only if it's in the top collectable woods such as Huanghuali. These will increase in the future as the market for the earlier Examples get priced out of the market.
Mark
The wood panel under the stone top inset suggests this is a modern copy.
Unfortunately, in recent years there are finely made copies of 19th c. classical furniture being made that in almost all regards looks like the genuine article, but they lack any sign of use or wear, so that helps to spot the copies.
It’s not cheap, so it has value, but not as an antique.
One thing is for sure, the dirt on this thing (whenever it was made) was not modern. I swear you could not even tell it was a marble top table and really could not even see the carvings. It was in the third floor attic of an old building for quite some time before I grabbed it. At any rate, I need to find out what it is for certain. Sincerely, JT
Hi @greeno107,
The stone set one does not have a wood panel (image 25) from what I can see. Perhaps it's a different image from one of the other ones that your looking at.
I thought and still think it has good age and probably elm wood. Or am I missing something here. It's 4.27am. I first looked at it a few hours ago.
The other one looks more recent than republican. Now that I have had another look.
It's confusing.
Mark
Sorry Guys, I will keep items to one at a time to avoid confusion. I just pick them both from the same place. The nesting tables were not near as dirty. I Don't think they are repros just early to mid. 20th C. The Chinese business that was in the buildging closed in 1987. Another business moved in and remained untill last year. When me and the owner of the buildging went in on the 3rd floor, it didn't look like anybody had been in there at all in over 15 or 20 years. An unintentional time vault. I am extremely happy to find and salvage them. JT
@imperialfinegems This is the photo I was referring to...
Is that not the tiered stand? Maybe I’m confused.
Those stands when if the period are 99% hongmu, rather than rosewood like this one.
OH! I see! That’s the second shelf.
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Now that I’ve figured out what I’m looking at, and yes I see the stone underside of the top, I think late 19th c. to early 20th c. is reasonable, and I apologize for my early assessment based on my misunderstanding of the photos.
Further more, the wood may be hongmu, which varies in color and can look more red like rosewood when photographed in bright sunlight.
My lesson learned today - don’t respond to the Forum while stopping and going in between red lights and driving!
No worries my brothers. I'm just trying to figure out exactly what I have. Tables, as the late Qing period piece pictured, come in a variety of hardwoods and a combination thereof. Before I place on the market, I want to be accurate as to what I'm selling. I have no knowlege or expertise in Chinese/ Asian hardwoods and depend on generous individuals such as you guys to teach me what I don't know. Every comment is appreciated. Even if it is submitted on the fly 😎 Sincerely, JT.
There was a hardwood snuff bottle display stand out of the same building. I will submit photos tomorrow after I clean it. From what I can tell, it is well constructed, but not too old. Maybe early to mid 20th C., but I'm not sure and always want to be as sure as possible in dealings. I have no idea of the wood type used in construction. It can't even be seen through the current grim. Whatever it is, it has been sitting in the same spot for quite a long time. My guess is it was placed there sometime in the 1980s, and has not been touched since. I also found two small ancestor portraits. They look like they were framed in the 1920s. They are filthy and need a good cleaning as well. I will submit for comments when ready. Sincerely, JT
Hi Jamie and Greeno107,
I agree with you on the possibility of the wood being hongmu. But the top looks very much like elm. It wasn't uncommon for makers to combine woods for special effects.
The grain on the top is distinctly different from the rest. This particular elm is very sought after. It is often confused with Huanghuali. There is elm and then there is elm.
Dating these can and is very difficult using pictures. Same applies to species of woods. Most auction houses like sotheby's etc insist on viewing before committing to a appraisel. So they would often date these as either 19th century or 19th/20th century. I think 19th century is appropriate.
Jamie it's a beautiful example and if you decide to sell it it would be chased by collectors. It would look spectacular with a large porcelain vase, bronze or even a jadeite statue.
The other one is not so special in my opinion. But that being stated it still has a market place a a group.
Congratulations.
Mark
PS: perhaps Jamie you could resubmit your pictures with more details of the stone inserted one rather than combining the two.
Hello Jamie,
Agree with Marks last comment. Your photo's are clear and well exposed however I can't work out what I am looking at. Can you please submit photo's of the two items separately. I will refrain from commenting on the timber at this stage. What I can tell you that the exposed joints I can see are of very good quality, they have been made to allow expansion and contraction in different weather conditions. What i cant work out is what joint belongs to what item. It would also be useful to see the whole nest of tables to see the proportions properly. Greeno's point about lack of wear and use maybe valid. Layers of dirt, dust and grime can build up very quickly and if in a slightly damp place turn to mud that can be hard to remove. It may be they were totally restored and had any age marks removed prior to being placed in storage and just acquired a crust during such storage. Hope you can load the photo's separately as the quality of the timber and the construction makes me think you may have a bargain purchase. The dimensions would be useful.
Cheers
Michael
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