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Possible Ming plate?
I walked into an antique store last weekend, the owner had a couple of random Chinese pieces that he had just purchased and was selling really cheaply. He appeared to know what they are, but gave them to me for very little. Here is one of them.
This little plate is 7.5" across and he declared it to be Ming. And I did find Ming plates that had a barbed rim, and a similar Qilin design. For instance, here is a link:
However, if you follow the link, the plate is much better painted, and has a much neater foootrim and back and different blue underglaze pigment.
Here is another link, that is much closer to mine; it has the same ribs on the front and back, but it is also much more neatly painted:
Is my plate Ming? Or is it possibly a kitchen Qing copy of the better painted Ming plate? The sloppiness bothers me.
If it is Ming, then I think I got a good deal. It it is Qing, then I probably paid about what it is worth.
Is it from a shipwreck? Looks like sediment attached to reverse. Is it a horse? Does not look like kitchen Qing to me, but Birgit will know if it is. Sharon
Looks good to me. I like this plate.
I hadn't thought of a shipwreck, but that might explain the relative frostiness of the glaze. The stuff on the footrim appears to be kiln grit; notice that is also on the plate that is the second link in my original post.
The similar plates call the animal a Qilin, and this one looks a lot like those, so I think that is what is supposed to be. That is apparently a Chinese chimera.
It looks good for Ming I think. A nice find.
I also think this looks good. I like it a lot!
Hi Charles -
Late 15th/early 16thC, so Hongzhi/Zhengde period, dish. Central composition of a Qiln and flames amongst plantain leaves, rocks, grasses and, possibly, some auspices objects, waves to rim ...
Such dishes were produced in large numbers during these periods, predominantly for export, and the painting, cobalt, glaze and finishing quality varied considerably ...
The blue is quite greyish, the painting has defused during the firing and there are also several glaze pulls, all known features seen on such wares ...
Concur with Sharons thoughts, either a shipwreck or tomb/ burial piece ...
Nice find ...
Good score for you Charles! Happy for you. Sharon
Thanks, all, especially Stuart. I am happy to have found this! This my second oldest piece--my oldest piece is a nondescript little jarlet that Greeno identified as Yuan to early Ming. But this one has considerably more character; it will definitely be on display in my house!
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