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@Julia and @Greeno107,
I think your right. It can be intimidating at times.
The issue arose as one member asked about why vases were drilled in the first place.
I responded with what Peter has mentioned numerous times about the issue of the lack of suitable lamps during the 20's. This in turn later then became fashionable etc.
One dragon on said site quickly stated she had never heard of this in her 40 years experience and questioned my post as being untruthful or fanciful.
This led a back and forth argument.
Interestingly I did ask later a number of other leaders in the industry about this. Some had heard about it. Some had not. However, they all agreed it was feasible.
I was then sent a private email from another dragon stating my comments were not appreciated. And that I am wrong! Since I couldn't provide proof. Furthermore he added that I was completely wrong about another post. One in 400 he picked on. Which incidentally att I wrote looks or maybe. Not definitely.
So I responded that just because she hadn't heard of it doesn't mean she was right. She incidentally does not deal with porcelain but Japanese prints.
And if they don't like my comments then perhaps my account should be canceled. Well it was suspended within 48 hours.
And life goes on.... 😊
Mark
@imperialfinegems I'm not a member.... given my track record...I'd last about 5 seconds. 🤣
I'd love to hear the jist of your discussion (privately) if you'd like to share.
@jbeer2121 Sorry for the late response to your post. Very nice vase! You know... it kind of falls in that Satsuma / Kutani style, so perhaps that is part of the reason it has an unknown mark...not enough people researching that style.
They do have me intrigued especially with what limited info I can find on the Tokyo Kingama. I did manage to get a much better photo of one of the marks today so I am on the hunt... lol.
Jeremy
@imperialfinegems Mark would you be willing to open that discussion on the discussion thread. I actually have heard and researched this topic.
Mark, I have also heard Peter say it. I don't know why Peter would say it publicly if it wasn't correct. Take no notice of them. If they don't like hearing new ideas from new members, then they shouldn't let anyone else join. These are forums for sharing learning, pieces and experiences in a respectful ( and I would hope friendly) arena.
Maybe starting that discussion here may be a good idea.
Yes I already have.
I am not to concerned with them at all. They don't like to be corrected or new train of thought.
I still much prefer this forum. More friendly and I think honest.
I believe but not certain that both Peter and Anthony Allen are or were also members. Both of whom they don't like. But I could be wrong. Only what I was told.
Mark
@imperialfinegems Given your upstanding and helpful record on this forum during my time here, I can't imagine you ever doing/saying anything meant to be disrespectful, etc, so I have to assume Gotheborg has some serious problems if they are doing this to you. Sounds like they need to get their house in order.
I agree - I am a "lurker" on the Gotheborg forum, as I much prefer the collegial environment here 🙂 It is much too intimidating, especially for someone who has just begun in this area. I briefly considered posting my new armorial there but I would rather not open that can of worms. I heavily disagree with waving around years in an industry as proof of your assertions, too. Sorry that you had to encounter that, Mark. We always appreciate your guidance and comments here.
Also, I wish I could help with this piece, but I have trouble on the Satsuma/Kutani intersection. When the two styles blend, I feel a bit lost. Perhaps a product of the fact that there were hundreds of individual kilns/potters making ceramics in Japan, and that potters would train in large cities and help smaller rural areas start their own kilns, then pack up and do the same in other areas. Styles were bound to mix in that environment, which is one thing I find extremely attractive about Japanese ceramics.
Another quick update on the vases, Martin (He is truly amazing in the efforts he puts into this) has continued trying to decipher the markings, and I figured I would include his most recent findings. This is very, very exciting to me...
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Hi Jeremy,
It all reads very exciting news. Martin puts in the extra mile.
Really pleased these are very special indeed!
I thought they might be. That's why I referred you to him.
After you do some more research. Please let us know.
Mark
It really is, especially when I get to relay the news to the owner. He honestly thought they were tourist vases from the 50's this whole time.
I will try and keep the forum updated if I figure out anything further.
Thanks again Mark.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Sounds like they should rename it gestapoborg...
take it with a grain of salt
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