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Hi everyone,
i’m looking to purchase this cute quail made of white hotan nephrite pebble. Can anyone help me figuring out whether it’s real jade, also whether it’s real hotan jade, and real jade pebble or not? Much thanks!
@ YZ Sun
Firstly welcome to this fantastic forum.
It is difficult to determine if said item is authentic or not by way of two pictures, however I make the following observations.
From what I can see this figure is probably not authentic hotan jade. The colour is far too white. It resembles Russian jade. White Russian jade is often sold as hotan/hetian jade in the market place. As a consequence if Russian jade then the price is significantly far less than genuine hotan jade.
The carving is very modern. I have seen a lot of these types of carvings being offered as genuine/authentic jade. Most are fake and or treated.
Genuine or fake?????? If you use a UV light it should show you if the stone has been treated. If treated it will show a distinct glow under UV. If untreated will not display any glow. A good test but not conclusive. Another tool is a Chelsea filter.
Scratch test. Using a sharp end of a pen knife (not anything like hardened steel nail) make a small mark. Is the mark white or black? Is it easy to make the mark or not?
Nephrite jade and jadeite jade are both very hard stones and thus a difficult to leave a mark. Serpentine on the other hand is often sold as genuine jade. It is a much softer stone and can be easily scratched/marked leaving behind a white line. Serpentine has a tell-tale sign of being in a number of cases having white or blotchy patches that are ultra transparent/translucent. If you see this it is not real jade! Bowenite is also from the serpentine family but is a much harder stone and thus can be confused with jade. However it often displays the blotchy white highly translucent areas found with serpentine.
Stone or glass???????? Glass substance is often sold as jade. In particular white jade. Using a bright light or other do you see any bubbles, seams, pot/dimple marks. Please be aware that genuine jadeite jade has a surface similar to that of a moon type surface.
These are just a couple of tests you can perform in the market place. There are numerous others you can do etc.
From what I can see in your first picture this carving is being sold by a dealer in a market type environment. I note the other stones in the background. If this is correct then I would be very careful about buying from them especially if you know little about jade.
Mark
Hi Mark:
Thanks for replying and welcoming me to the forum! You might be right in saying the jade there is Russian jade as it looks almost too transparent comparing to real hotan jade.
I’m m actually looking at two pieces here both modern—not looking to buy anything antique. Do you mind sharing your opinion on the other one? I would love to know what you and other people think before making a purchase! It’s a goose holding a chinese symbol for luck.
Here are more pictures!
Hi YZ Sun
The goose holding a bat is actually a reasonable well-carved figure.
However I think it might be agate rather than nephrite. I am inclined to think that because of reddish brown colour.
Definition of stones??????? Chalcedony is a generic term for both agate and jasper. They are often dyed or heat treated.
Carnelian is a clear to translucent reddish-brown variety of chalcedony. I think this is what your item could possibly be based on pictures.
Tests????? If you put a bright light behind it and you can see thru it then it's agate. If it's opaque and therefore not transparent then it's jasper. Agate is usually translucent. Hold it up to the light. That's a simpler test for agate or jasper.
Carnelian is often agate that has been dyed or heart treated. However there is a very easy test to identify natural carnelian. The dyed agate will display striping when held against the light whereas natural untreated carnelian will show cloudy distribution of colour.
Carnelian is categorized as a member of the agate family of chalcedony.
Out of interest what are these being offered as? Also what is the asking price?
Hope the above helps you.
Mark
Hi mark, the goose pendant was offered as a nephrite pebble stone, and I was told it has become popular in China to purchase nephrite with “skin colors”, basically jade with various degrees of russet color. I think the seller was telling the truth with regard to that as i do see more nephrite jade with yellow to red colors now days in shops, which is interesting as I read somewhere that while during the Qing Dynasty white was preferred, during Ming jade stones with colors were considered as more valuable. So I guess trends come and go lol.
Thanks for your comments!
@ YZ Sun
Yes you are correct, my friend.
Russet or skin colour on nephrite jade is very popular at the moment and thus priced according. However, the degree of the colour in the example you posted could be carnelian rather than jade. If you look at known examples you will clearly see the difference.
For your information and record???????Most dyed or treated jade that has brown russet or skin can be identified by the following observation. If it appears to be dots or stuttering type russet rather than a tapering from intense to light then it would be highly probable to treatment.
I am in two minds at the moment about your prospective buy. Either jade or carnelian. As you would appreciate it is difficult enough to judge jade in person even more difficult via a few pictures. A number of dealers I know will never buy or appraise jade by way of pictures. Only hands on!
By the way I think the goose is natural and not treated by the dispersmennt of the colour.
Mark
Mark
Thanks for sharing the information on how to identify dyed jade stones, Mark! It’s always good to keep this kind of information in one’s tool box. I might do some research and ask around a bit more before pulling the trigger and will definitely get this authenticated by one of the local authorities here if I decide to make a purchase (for a cheaper price comparing to the states lol). Will let you know if it turns out to be jade or some other gemstones!
Hi YZ Sun - and as with Mark, welcome to this wonderful forum ...
I know very little about such pieces unlike Mark who, as always, has passed on some excellent advice ...
Stuart
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