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I have seen this style of painting on quite a few 19th century Minyao pieces , But the foot rim and shape are pushing me to an earlier date?
Dear carlyoung,
I had a quick look at the images of your bowl. May I ask, what is it about the bowl that makes you think it might be an early one?
Best wishes,
Alan
This bowl looks very new to me. You can often find similar patterns on Qing domestic wares. But this one looks very strange.
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Hi Alan and Xin , Its was more the very neat square looking foot rim which i have seen on many Kangxi and early 18th century pieces where the footrims seem to get rougher on the Minyao pieces into the 19th century, and the actual foot looks to be tall rather than shorter , These are just things i have noticed in earlier Qing pieces . I am not finished with the examination yet just thoughts. There looks to be glaze contractions and an orange peel look to the glaze which does not really relate to age but maybe the processes used to manufacture.
Dear carlyoung,
I understand the point that you make, but considering such features of the bowl as a photograph alone will permit (shape, decoration, cobalt colour, and so forth), it would be very strange to find a Kangxi period piece done in this manner. On balance, I would think that your bowl is relatively recent in date.
Best wishes,
Alan
Thank you Alan , back to the drawing board , I must study more the decoration and cobalt colour on specific period pieces.
I agree this is new. Although the colour of the cobalt can be deceptive on different monitors , I think the colour here looks like royal blue ink and is quite a 'modern', synthetic colour which is not found on older pieces. And the white porcelain has a new glossy feel to it.
The decoration here is a bit strange, as Xin said, very blobby and the lappets around the base on the outside are barely drawn and child-like.
The footrim is squared off but it's probably formed by a mechanical device or machine , rather than cut by hand.
Just my thoughts.
tam
Dear Carlyyoung,
First of I need to state I have a very basic knowledge of Asian art. However I have been a collector of folk type pottery from all over the world for a number of years, and have developed a liking for Chinese and other SE Asian folk pottery. My research has taught me that you have to throw out the normal rule book when looking at these wares. They were not made to please the whim of whatever dynasty was ruling at the the time nor they were made for the taste of export markets. Although some of the more despotic rulers in China made decrees on what could be shown as decoration on all ceramics during their reign. So real or genuine folk pottery items may well be decorated in a style that is out of step with the period they were made. As far a rims and bases are concerned items such as stem cups, bowls and other small domestic item were made in bulk and I mean in bulk 10's of thousands. They were not meant to admired or loved just used. Such was the vast amounts made often they were left in the biscuit for long periods of time and decorated and glazed at a later date. This can explain why you can get Item that in shape and form to look like one period but it is decorated in a later style. The problem for us 21c collectors are many and with this type of ware not least of our problems is the fact this type of pottery is still made today in small kilns all over SE Asia using the same methods and decoration that date back centuries, not to deceive western collectors but for everyday use.
I Know of one Indonesian island where they still make useful wares made in small family run kilns and sold by the potters in their local market. I have a feeling that some make a quick buck tourists are exploiting this via Ebay. None of this helps you with your item I can't really add anything to what the more experienced members of the forum have told you. Folk type pottery from all over the world has a certain charm, spontaneity and naivety that is hard to define in words, all we can do is try to train our eyes to see and our hands to feel the rightness of something.
Cheers
Michael
Hi Michael , Yes i agree , My success rate for buying good pieces is far higher when buying in the flesh than when i buy online , and i guess as a beginner that is probably a lesson i should take heed .
Michael Brettm are you taking a punt at the two upcoming auctions in Melbourne during December held by Leonard Joel?
They have a number of interesting lots.
The reason I asked is that from my memory you are located in Australia. Not sure which state.
Mark
Hi Mark,
I have in my email inbox the details for the sale on 10th of December. I understand this is deceased estate sale being held at the deceased former home. I have no yet gone through the catalogue will have a look later tonight, from the glance that I have given it I think there is a nice table screen with jade panel. Might see if I can link the catalogue on bid amount if I can work how to do that.
Cheers
Michael
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