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@greeno107 In my dreams, "better than average ownership" is code for "it must have been the emperor's favorite little vase." 😀
Hi Johnshoe and all -
Just for comparison purposes, attach image and description of a lemon yellow-ground bottle vase, attributed to the Yongzheng period, sold Lot 605, Christie’s Swire, HK, 19 March 1991 ...
This so not an Imperial piece but is exceptional fine quality ...
The overall design, or certainly elements of, may have been the inspiration for that seen on your piece ...
Stuart
@ming1449 Yes, I have been feeling there is a somewhat Yongzheng influenced concept of design to my vase, and was actually going to pose that as a question to see if others also saw that. The way the branches wrap around and the use of negative space was so beautifully done in Yongzheng. They are my favorite pieces and I would love to find a real one someday, like our friend Greeno has.
@greeno107 Here are some better shots taken outside with a different camera. Let me know if you would like me to take any others.
@johnshoe I just finished a 4 hour drive home after ,2 hours of packing my box truck up from the show, so I may be delirious, but your base looks mark and period.
Let me get some sleep and research it tomorrow over a cup of coffee.
My two cents but I’m no professional is it possible that the vase is period but the artwork is not. During the lamp boom of the 20th century they used what was around maybe the vase was painted after fact I believe the chipping is from base being removed I have seen vases and lamps clobbered before because the vase looks possible but artwork seems off.
I'm home from dropping off my stuff at my building, ate a pancake and have had a cup of coffee, so now I am of sound mind.
The vase is a very nice 19th c. kangxi revival in my opinion.
Why did I think it could be period?
The boneless style and mallet vases were quite popular in the Kangxi, the base yellow glaze is heavily bubbled (which many are black from dirt), and manner bubbling of the copper red is very much in the manner of the 18th c. enamels that I've seen. Very nicely rendered!
Why have I changed my mind?
Mainly the Kangxi mark looks like a 19th c. version with tight grouping of the character and rather hollow blue lines which is seen in the late 19th c.
The instep just before the foot ring seems to be after Kangxi period, too.
And Stuart is most certainly correct about the shade of yellow, but given how different one camera can alter an image, I didn't want to rely on that alone.
The mouth appears ground down, so the vase has been around the block a few times given the assortment of chips and such.
Give it a bath in hot soapy water.....let's see what it looks like then!
Can you show a photo of the entire bottom? I just want to be sure about the layout of the mark.
This Kangxi vase sold by Christie's looks similar in some ways to your vase.
John, for what it is worth, I also think this has a late 19th c base. What interests me is the decoration. It looks sponge-printed, or coloured with wax crayons. These better pictures have not changed my mind. I agree with Brian, the art work is off in some way. It isn't unpleasant, but seems unusual.
@greeno107 Here's a full shot of the base, mouth, and some full side shots as well for overall proportions. If you feel that the mark is positioned closer to the top than it is to the bottom you are correct, it is a 1/4 inch closer to the top. Not sure if that has significance or not but I'd be curious to know.
@julia I know! And so that's why I have been praying that Nicholas Chow is going to miraculously come along and inform everyone that the Kangxi emperor pioneered sponge work design just long enough to make one lemon yellow ground mallet vase with a slightly offset mark, then abandoned the pursuit because of how extremely difficult it was to make. 😀
@greeno107 You know, the few seconds between reading your two emails were some of the best of my life. For a brief moment, my little heart fluttered at the possibility that I was holding a mark and period gem, only then to have my hopes crushed like a Ming masterpiece during the cultural revolution. You giveth and you taketh away, my friend.
@johnshoe Well, I wasn't acting with bad intention.
The sponge pattern is something that can be seen in 18th c. enamels, even Imperial ones, because the process was new and the firing temperatures varied depending on the chemical composition, so these enameks often look spongy. There are somevgreat photos of this on my book of Yongzheng falengcai porcelains, but I can't seem to find it at the moment.
However, in the case of your vase, I think the spongy appearance is due to the underlying yellow glaze having an effect on how the red enamel/glaze. Perhaps they don't get along to well.
I like the look and the effect, so I am perhaps not being critical enough with regards to age based upon the look.
However, your off centered mark is an important tell, plus, the 6 characters are grouped too close together for this to be genuine.
@greeno107 I would love to see the examples of 18th C sponge pattern if you ever dig up those photos, just so I can compare.
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