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Topic starter 06/02/2021 9:24 pm  

@william  Thank you, and I will remember your catchy and sage phrase! Yes, I do feel the yellow has a lemony tone. As for opaque vs transluscent, I am not as clear on that without having an example of each to compare, although it's probably more opaque if I were to give a common sense assessment.


   
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06/02/2021 9:24 pm  

@johnshoe I probably have some pics of Guangxu flaking porcelains. When I get home, I'll dig a few up.

Post some good pics of your foot rim. You might be right that there is no orange on the foot, but....while iron on the foot eliminates the chance of being early Qing, the rule doesn't work in reverse.

There are plenty of 19th/20th c porcelains that also had low iron paste.

Everything has to be correct...not just most or many aspects.


   
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06/02/2021 9:42 pm  

@johnshoe Here's a Guangxu garden stool I sold years ago. Note missing enamel is not damage, but rather some chemical issue where it didn't bond well with the porcelain.


   
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Topic starter 06/02/2021 9:54 pm  

@greeno107  I have seen other pieces where there was some enamel loss that are more like this example you posted. On those it is like the enamel chipped off and it I think you could actually run your finger over the spot and feel the difference. On my vase it all seems to be smooth - I can't feel any roughness. And the flakiness is so consistent over the entire piece, and seems equally represented with all three colors used. Also note there are no large areas of loss - it is all micro loss. Have you ever seen another example like that?

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06/02/2021 9:57 pm  

@greeno107 so why is it that all of the museum 18th century bowls that I’ve seen do not have that super white paste but look like this one in the photo was something applied later?

 


   
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06/02/2021 10:01 pm  

@johnshoe

That is strange. Later un-fired or under-fired decoration?  Is there any flaking or other condition problems with the yellow background glaze?


   
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06/02/2021 10:01 pm  

@johnshoe I'm struggling a bit with your photos, so it's hard to evaluate and draw comparisons. Not to beat a dead horse, but the pics need to be more clear to be certain of anything.

Often, the enamel just crackles, but stays adhered until physically dislodged, but the phenomena seems to be found in the late 19th c pieces I've encountered.


   
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06/02/2021 10:06 pm  
  • @lotusblack The paste is beautifully white in the example you show, and yes, the foot rim appears treated with some enamel or gilt.

   
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06/02/2021 10:10 pm  

@lotusblack What is the origin of this bowl / what collection? Looking at the decor, I'm not sure that this is period or not...I'm assuming you copied it from a museum collection, but there are aspects that I see that look Republic.


   
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Topic starter 06/02/2021 10:17 pm  

@william  With the exception of the significant chipping around the base that I mentioned before and think is from a bad stand experience earlier in life and some loss around the rim associated with the damage there, the yellow seems in great condition, so it doesn't have any flaking problems. It does have a very fine crackle as I also earlier mentioned, though that only becomes apparent under high magnification and in good light.


   
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Topic starter 06/02/2021 10:23 pm  

@william  And it looks to me that everything was fired. The decoration isn't just painted on and unfired. It's definitely got a nice glazy shine. But maybe the underfired possibility could make sense. 


   
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Topic starter 06/02/2021 10:31 pm  

@greeno107  Rather than considering my pictures as not being clear, I rather like to think of them as being special. 🤣 


   
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06/02/2021 10:35 pm  

@johnshoe Here is a magnificent example of Guangxu porcelain with what I think is the same bright yellow.

I am not suggesting the quality of the two pieces are the same, but the fact that your vase is mallet shaped suggests it was intended for better than average ownership. 

https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5805249


   
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Topic starter 06/02/2021 11:01 pm  

@greeno107  I was actually wondering if the mallet shaped vases are held in higher regard for some reason, so it is interesting you bring that up. I wonder how the quality of the decoration might come across differently without all the loss?  


   
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Topic starter 06/02/2021 11:06 pm  

@greeno107 The yellow on this fish bowl looks a bit more splotchy. Mine is more uniform and does not have those lighter spots where the color seems thinner. Perhaps this is associated to the issue of opaqueness that Bill alluded to earlier. 


   
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