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Compare your mark to this one. Which one looks finer in execution?
@william This is a good education for me on the finer details of marks. In comparrison, mine looks more stiffly drawn. There is an artful fluidity that the one you posted has that mine doesn't. On top of that mine is slightly off center, as previously noted.
@greeno107 Thanks for digging up the photos. It does create a similar effect, regardless of whether or not the same chemical cause is at play. But mine is more uniformly spread over the entire piece, not just in some places, which I think is the biggest difference.
I was hesitant to show this mark because it is on a piece of ‘soft paste’ porcelain which is totally different from the paste composition of typical Chinese porcelain. Which is a subject off point from the current thread. However, it is the only Kangxi marked piece in my collection that I think has a chance of being genuine after 40 years of searching for the real deal. Oddly enough, it came into my collection when I first started collecting Chinese porcelain.
@william I'm curious, if you were in my shoes, would you send pictures to a big auction house just to see what they say? My thinking is, if there is even a slight chance, I should investigate further. I'd be curious to know what you and Greeno and others think about that?
I hate stamping all over another collector’s hopes and dreams...but there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell that your piece is period Kangxi.
The reason I asked if you felt the yellow glaze was opaque instead of translucent was as one clue to eliminating a Kangxi origin. Kangxi yellow was a higher firing, translucent overglaze enamel as seen on the Kangxi vase photo supplied by Greeno. Used as a monochrome background, you can clearly see the yellow color still shows a translucent watercolor effect. The lemon yellow, low fired opaque glaze used as a monochrome effect happened later in the Yongzheng reign as shown in the other photo of a period example.
Also, those late Kangxi enameled bowls were cutting edge production done under close supervision of the Palace authorities, possibly in the Forbidden City imperial workshops. Does your vase achieve the level of perfection that would be demanded of imperial porcelain produced for the emperor? Not by a long shot!
It seems clear to me from your last set of photos, the enamel decorations of birds & branches are applied directly on top of the yellow monochrome background. I think this is the reason for the strange effect seen on the decoration of your piece. Please take note on all of the other period examples, the overglaze yellow background is carefully filled in around the decorative painting on the underglaze white background.
Enjoy your vase as a learning tool.
@greeno107 Do you have an opinion you would be willing to share on what the value of this vase might be?
@johnshoe Sure. Let me first reiterate that William is correct that this vase is not worth submitting for valuation at any major auction house. You should be very careful to submit the best possible candidate pieces to build your own credibility with each institution. Drill holes are major issues because they go right through the mark, so it would have to be of imperial quality for them to consider.
Regarding the mallet vase value, am I remembering correctly that it has damage on the mouth, chips above the foot, and a drill hole? If so, $100-200 maybe....
Your vase is an unusual design, so it's not easy to categorize it's value.
Why not let the market teach you, and auction it on Ebay?
@greeno107 I might put it up for sale, but I kind of like it also. I just would like to find something comparable to the design style. So far this one actually feels the most similar in terms of shape and style of foot, and the ground kind of displays in a similar way to the enamels on mine which is kind of interesting: https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/collected-america-chinese-ceramics-metropolitan-museum-art/mottled-pink-enameled-dragon-mallet-vase-1992/32045
@greeno107 This one also seems similar in shape: https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-a-flambe-glazed-mallet-vase-19th-century-4619882/?from=searchresults&intObjectID=4619882
I'm pretty much sold that it's 19th C.
Another thing that has come up in my research is hard paste vs soft paste, which I am uneducated about. But I saw this one:
And what I noticed is that there is a bumpiness that is visible on this example and mine has a similar texture, so now I am wondering if mine might be soft paste. Here is an excerpt from wikipedia:
Chinese soft-paste porcelain[edit]
Unlike the European product, Chinese porcelain began with hard-paste, and it is common to regard all Chinese production as hard-paste,[43] until bone china began to be made there in the 20th century. However, a classification of "Chinese soft-paste porcelain" is often recognised by museums and auction-houses,[44] though its existence may be denied by others.[45]
It refers to pieces of Chinese porcelain, mostly from the first half of the 18th century, that are less translucent than most Chinese porcelain and have a rather milky-white glaze, which is prone to crackling.
Mine also lacks translucency and has a faint crackle seen under magnification. At any rate, I find it interesting. John
So I met with a gentleman that has been in the antique business and has a extensive collection of antique Chinese porcelain most with auction labels. I had a conversation with him about not being able to tell the difference on pieces that can be unusual so I asked how do you tell the difference. He told me that it takes experience but also science a lot of people have one but not both. He also mentioned Oxford testing. But one method that he show me blew my mind he pulled out a 120x magnifier it has ability to show screen shots he zoomed down to the bubbles there where may size bubbles and I ask so it’s the bubbles sizes that date antique porcelain he said no all Chinese porcelain have bubbles but the more modern the smaller the bubbles but he said even some modern porcelain have big bubbles than I asked well than how do bubbles tell the age. He grabbed another please of porcelain it looked a lot newer that the previous example. Put it under the scope this had little and big bubbles but I noticed that a lot of the bubbles where not clear but yellow to light brown and they where hallo. He explained to me that on antique porcelain the clear glaze will develop death bubbles you can read about it but he showed me many examples nothing 1900 and up contained the death bubbles everything he had the presence of death bubbles here is a piece from Christie’s that shows excessive death bubbles so this technique doesn’t give a date but a range. These are not iron stains there are filled air bubbles in the glaze. This method does not work on other porcelains seems to be a Chinese porcelain trait the Christie’s bowl was a Daoguang period example
I've been trying to find something that matches the shade of yellow and so far this is the closest I have come: https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2010/masterpieces-of-qing-imperial-porcelain-from-jt-tai-co-hk0343/lot.2129.html
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