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Still hoping someone will address the "piercings," why would they have done that to the piece? Is it to do with the firing in the kiln?
@jbeer2121 It's as plausible as anything else, the other examples online have one on each side not two side by side and nothing I can find explains it. I appreciate the puzzle.😊Â
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Thank you so much for this advice.
I don't think either of us really believes it to be Song. He actually has always thought it's a later (Ming/Qing) reproduction, and I think that is possible, but given Avatar's amazing find of that obscure blogger's reference, I would think also likely that it is a Japanese reproduction. The reason that I don't think it is a modern replica designed to defraud is because of its almost unrecognizable form. Even you, a veteran, initially dismissed it because "everything looks wrong." I've searched the web on Song celadon and couldn't come up with one with that droopy squat and flat lip look. As such, contrary to what many think about the stickers being put there to make it look old, I actually think they were scrubbed off to hide its true age - that it is not as old as the form suggests (which is one thousand years!). The sad thing is, I don't think one can definitively arrive at any conclusion on antiques. Even reputable sources and big auction houses have been proven wrong one too many times, so I always try to be on guard but keep an open mind...
Jen
Apparently the pieces in the link I posted are at Idemitsu Museum. Idemitsu Museum is mentioned in the text and is also mentioned in this link that also show some of the same pieces as well as other pieces I know are also at Idemitsu museum. A Guan vase in the same shape is also shown.
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Oh, yeah. This one is currently available. A Longquan vase of related shape that looks as likely authentic. But not so interesting for me since it's not a high value item or otherwise interesting. I see a not of interesting Longquan pieces. A lot of fakes and later copies but certainly also lots of authentic early material. This one is only 8 cm hight so it's like a miniature vase. Very charming.
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I thought you might find this explanation in regards to these perforations interesting …
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Hi Jen -
This form is known to have been produced at differing kiln sites during the Song, and these pieces exhibit slight variations in overall size, proportions and finishing …
Attached images of a Guan glazed example with short text giving some explanation of this, National Palace Museum, Taipei, images 1/2&3, and another reconstructed from shards excavated at the Xiuneisi kiln site images 4/5 …
This form disappears from production after the fall of the Song and I have never seen any authentic examples attributed to either the Yuan or Ming dynasties. It was reintroduced at the Imperial kilns at Jingdezhen during the Yongzheng reign, images 6/7, but is rarely seen after Qianlong’s reign …
Much more research is needed to determine whether the piece posted is a Japanese copy of such wares, a later Qing example or a more recent copy …
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@ming1449 Hmm. So the holes are due to the ritualistic nature of the vase and a reference to Tang wares. Does anyone know why the original prototypes from the Tang era were perforated?
I was trying to find out and although I have not yet come across anything relevant, I did find this which is interesting. Sorry it is a bit off topic but people may enjoy it. I don't know if it is already on the site somewhere but no harm posting it again. I haven't had time to finish reading it, so at least I will be able to locate the article quickly if it is in this thread.
https://files.friesmuseum.nl/files/1/8/2/3/jars_research_Eva.pdf
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