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@shinigami Thanks for the suggestion! I'll let him decide if he wants to do it...I just want to research and learn more about celadons in general myself.
@ming1449 Thank you so much for your research! Very interesting take on the "perforations" origin. As for the vase shape, there's just something about the shoulder (the convexity) that makes it almost cartoonish looking, lol. At this point, my bet is on late Japanese repro.
I actually found another source that goes into a very detailed explanation for the holes, but it is in Chinese. I will post the Google translated link in the post below and hopefully it reads OK.
All,
Here's a detailed article on Chinese Baidu that explains the "holes" on the foot. According to the article, these type of vases are called "Ribbon/Belt wearing vases". The idea was to tie the vase to some sort of "flower stand" for stability before placing it on a table or shelf. Not sure if it is in fact the true origin, but it is quite a fascinating read.
Here's the Google translated version link (so the translation is not perfect, especially in regards to the poems, but you'd get the gist of it).
Unfortunately, the pictures disappeared! In order to see the corresponding pictures, you'd need to access the original link and choose translate from the browser:
https://baike.baidu.com/tashuo/browse/content?id=91d7722a18e9064fb11e1f3b
Lovely pieces in that but I am not sure I understand what "wearing" means? I assume the little table wears the bottle? The link that looks to be in Chinese, came up in English, too.
Am I really the only here who think the vase could possibly be an authentic Song dynasty example?
Hi Cory -
Any images not mater how good/detailed are, at best, subjective ...
The opinions given by all who have responded, including both me and yourself, can only be such based on the images and details provided on this, or indeed any object, submitted through this forum ...
As mentioned, much better images would be needed before anyone here could make/give any further opinions and this vase would really need to be seen/handle by people with specialist knowledge both of Song examples, Imperial Qing pieces made in emulation, later Qing/modern copies of such and also Japanese examples of such types ...
Stuart
@singingteapot Thanks for the explanation, tying it to a flower stand for stability seems a practical reason, while with a ribbon a decorative element, like threading a ribbon through a riticulated piece.
The glaze tone and texture looks correct IMHO and the vase might possibly be high value. I'm not sure.
For comparison:
@julia I think it means the bottle "wears" the ribbon while being tied to the stand. The idea is that it's more aesthetically pleasing than strapping it down.
@avatar While I don't think that, I do want to keep an open mind! On the examples you posted, I can see apparent signs of age. It's been a lot of fun researching and reading up on Song celadon actually. I will find time to re-examine the vase this weekend and post back in case anyone is still interested 🙂
I'm also sceptical because it's so perfect but IF it's an early Song-Ming example it would mean that it's fine and therefore it could have significant value. The thing about "the shape, proportions, glaze, footrim and base finishing are wrong" sound like nonsense in my ears.
Send pictures to christie's and if they think it could be genuine let them examine it in person. Simple as that.
The holes are made for rope or belt to pass through, so, the vase can be tied/fixed to a base or a frame.
Don't the surface (too shinning) and the bottom (too dark) of this vase look like a modern reproduction ?
Hi,
While this is not my area of expertise, although I wish it was as I find all these type of wares the quintessence of refined beauty - I am just going to throw something into the conversation concerning my opinion on the notches in the base rim of the vase. From what I know, most porcelain pieces are "copies" or renditions of older bronze/stoneware/etc pieces and originally those pieces had very practical utilitarian applications. Your piece for example, we would consider this a "vase form" but were actually used as bronze/stoneware/gourd bottles for transporting liquids. In order to transport these liquids the lids had to be secured onto the bottles and the bases secured to the transportation mode. I think of a caravan carrying tons of these bottles along the route, especially during the Tang, all I think of is camels camels camels.
Later, these utilitarian items were "beautified" and treasured by the literati of the time and their forms became more basic but the detailing was left. This, I think, is the case for handles with rings & such we see on so many porcelain vase types. I think the same is the case with the notches in this vase also. As others have said, these were used in the utilitarian form to attach the vessel to secure it to something, not necessarily to stop a beautiful vase from falling off a table but expensive merchandise inside the bottle from falling off a camel! The ribs around this vessel's body could have also 'symbolically' represented the rope straps that also secured the vessel. From everything I have read, especially from the write up's given on Christies & Sotheby's I enjoy reading through - this seems to make the most sense but I cannot source this theory to anyone in particular though so take it with a grain of salt. Chinese put a lot of subtle symbolism behind their artwork and its heavily imbedded into each piece which bring forth multiple meanings, so there's definitely a 'ritualistic' element to it as was suggested. Nevertheless, love all the pieces everyone has shown here! Sorry, I cant help with the authentication of it though.
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