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I think there is a wave of good quality fakes wu shuang pu ware on the market lately. Many of them with daoguang marks.
I came across this today. I think it looks credible but I am a bit suspicious with all the fakes.
this one looks good to me, orange peel porcelain, right colour and texture on the foot, nice painted figures and good calligraphy. There are lots of these export bowls on the market, mid to late C19th, of varying quality , but this looks better than normal (from these photos) - you could check carefully the painting of the figures and the calligraphy for wear and condition. . Is the interior white or turquoise?
(by the way , your photos are not enlargeable , even when opened in a new tab , I don't know why )
tam
This one looks good to me too. The glaze on the base has the typical wave pattern. Other features are also right.
Most fakes of this kind can be found in mainland China. So don't buy there.
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I have a similar shaped bowl with a similar foot rim that has been confirmed on here as being late 19th/ possibly early 20th century. I think yours also has traces of a brown dressing on the rim?
Julia
the 'daoguang' bowl is not so common , I think, as the other bowl, a nice shape , but still a C19th or later export piece, quite thickly potted, and there are no photos on ebay of the base so who knows how old it might be .
Also it's badly damaged with bits missing so it would be expensive to restore convincingly and in the end not worth doing because you could buy a better condition one for cheaper . I just guess, because I have no idea, but UK or Irish restorers probably don't do anything for under £100, because of the labour time involved.
tam
Hi short dong,
I think it's a late Qianlong export famille rose. Bad condition, but beautiful flowers.
Xin
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It sold for £12 with 1 bidder,
I think i should have gotten it. You think it was late Qianlong, that would mean like 1770 - 1796. That seems a big miss then, Yep that damage would be an easy repair.
Someone got a bargain , but I don't know how you could possibly repair that damage easily....there is a whole section of the foot broken off and some of it missing . A bodged job with glue and filler and enamel paints would soon look exactly that - bodged, and as I say professional restoration would add probably £100 or more to the cost, so you would have a nice (repaired) bowl for £150 or more... not sure the economics make sense.
tam
Someone got a bargain , but I don't know how you could possibly repair that damage easily....there is a whole section of the foot broken off and some of it missing . A bodged job with glue and filler and enamel paints would soon look exactly that - bodged, and as I say professional restoration would add probably £100 or more to the cost, so you would have a nice (repaired) bowl for £150 or more... not sure the economics make sense.
Yes, I agree, and it is not a keeper. It is a nice item but not so beautiful you would keep it for so long. If it was a keeper then I would just do the repair and sand it and gloss it, then re paint it, then turn it away from the damaged part, and leave it that way. If it was something i wanted to keep for myself then i do not mind damage that i can repair. Like there is a lovely vase for sale at moment that if in perfect condition would cost £400+ if the big seller sold it. I might get it for £20 and repair it and have it to enjoy. Also i reckon if i make £5 if i ever do sell it then that is still a 25% return on money spent.
There is value in restoration but this piece is not worth it, but a great bargain for sure.
This was the one i was thinking of.
It is a massive 45.5 CM so perfect for restoration, if i can get it at £20; then despite it being very badly damaged. It would be a perfect lamp i could keep.
this blue and white vase is very beautiful , I agree, and would be a perfect lamp , but it's already up to £39 with 9 days left , so that tells you something - it's probably a good deal older than the seller thinks , and is likely Kangxi , with a recessed base , the excellent decoration in kangxi style , the colours which are very good and bright, and the shape of the vase being much more more elegant than C19th revival stuff imo.
Those swirls of cloud around the neck are very typical on transitional and kangxi vases , I believe. It's also a very good size. So , despite the damage it could go much higher. Gordon Gekko is a good seller I have come across before.
If it is kangxi , then it's certainly worth paying for professional restoration for this one
tam
Dear Tam and Short Dong,
it is a fantastic quality vase but I think that the selelr is right. I see why you Tam thinks that it could be earlier, its quality is really impressive, but it seems that there are some grits on the foot, which are highly unusual for Kangxi.
To be really sure, it is necessary to handle it, so to better check the paste, foot, etc. It may result that I am wrong, but as said a difficult one without a direct inspection.
Wat a pity for the missing chip.
Giovanni
Sorry tam, i did not visit the forum for a couple day.
Yes the inside of the bowl is white
thx giovanni , I can't see from the photos whether the vase's footrim has kiln grit or is just dirty...... Another thing is the mouth rim , I have seen online this kind of trumpet mouth on a kangxi vase dressed in brown , to prevent fritting, but this vase has neither brown dressing nor fritting, so that suggests a later date.
I think the missing large chip at the mouth could be a problem when considering restoration.
tam
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