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Thank you for all the help! I'll try it out and post an update when I can. 😀Â
@webboy Can you specify what details lead you to believe it is not Kangxi but rather a revival piece?
@johnshoe I think this kind of gilding mistake does not show on genuine kangxi piece (see Picture). Maybee on a Poor mans Rice Bowl but not on a High quality piece like this . However IMO
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Hi all! I successfully removed the metal parts without any damage. Thanks for all the tips!Â
Here are some photos. I did notice some weird iridescence around the area Martin pointed out, so I included a picture of that too.
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Does the neck have a visible joint line the base looks very clean?
Hi @lotusblack, now that you mention it, there is a subtly visible joint line I hadn’t noticed before but it’s on the widest part of the vase rather than the neck. I tried capturing it here, and you can sort of see the line where the lights reflection is bent. The better photos aren’t attaching because they’re too large. Is this a bad characteristic?Â
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This one might be better.
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Most of the 19th century vases in this shape that i have seen had this joint like this it’s visible in center
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Interesting, I hadn't noticed that in other 19th century vases I've handled. Although the line in mine is less pronounced and at a different location, I'm still leaning towards it being 19th century. Thanks for the tip, Brian.Â
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I did notice that the footrim to me is more consistent with my other Kangxi pieces than my 19th century ones though. It is very smooth to the touch, and very white. It's all very confusing to me.Â
Does foot rim look trimmed or rounded?Â
The foot rim is photographed above, and looking through a loupe, the inner side is trimmed, but I'm not sure what's going on with the outer rim. The actual part that touches the table is trimmed to be flat, not round.
Hi John Fantastic Job its def. not old . I think it whas even made tobe used as a lamp .
Best regards martin
Not really my area of interest. I have deliberately refrained from commenting etc.Â
After viewing the interior I feel that that this particular vase is a product of the 2nd half of the 20th century.
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Thank you Martin and Mark. I appreciate your insight. I agree with you both. I spent all day yesterday looking through museum collections, major auction houses, and Peter's resources and was unable to find a similar example. The foot rim looks too new to be 19th century as well.
@webboy I am sticking with my late 19th c. assessment.
Let's first look at the lamp parts, especially the plug on a silk cord. Thise are early 20th c. parts. All look like they've been on the vase for a while, and given the metal was bent onto it, I doubt anyone would have gone throught that much trouble of putting old parts onto a late 20th c. vase.
The paper label found on the inside of the vase is old and has fountain pen writing on it. Someone put a fake label on the inside of a lamped vase? I don't think so.
The gilt shows approperiate wear for late 19th c., and is real gold, which in Qing wares required a chemical 'primer' for it to adhere to the porcelain. Later methods, post 1930-ish, use a different method that creates a gilt that looks very metallic. That over-paint mistake looks like later touch up.
Did you soak the vase in hot water to remove the metal base and cap? I think you did, and it probably cleaned the white unglazed porcelain very effectively. Â Likely, the vase was new, or almost, when turned into a lamp. So, the metal base covered the footring and protected from typical ware that an unprotected foot ring would encounter.
The horizontal joint of the top of the vase with the bottom, correctly located on the shoulder of the vase, shows the vase was constructed in tradition Chinese manner prior to later 20 c. methods of joining vertical halves (a more Western method).
Finally, that giant hole is due to someone using a hammer and chisel, instead of a high speed drill to put a clean hole. There were some lamp makers in the early 20th c. that had the tools to make clean dill holes, but not everyone. Versus later in the 20th c., where most everyone had access to a high speed drill.
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@lotusblack Brian, the ring on the neck is a decorative element associated with arrow vases that date back to the Song dynasty.
On baluster vases, the seam is on the shoulder, but not always clearly visible.
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