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Hi all,
I need some help figuring out what period this lamp is from. I just picked it up from an estate sale. It looks like the bottom rim is mounted with a bronze fitting to protect it from the base of the lamp. It's my first lamp purchase, so I have no idea how to remove these without damaging the vase. The vase itself is 19.5cm high. Honestly, I'm thinking it's 19th century. Any help is much appreciated!
Kindly,
John
The powder blue with gold gilt decoration is a Kangxi thing for sure, and of course so is the double blue rings on the base, so it is possible this is Kangxi. But I am not knowledgeable enough to know if this shape is consistent for that time or if the decoration stands up. But for what it's worth I like it and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you until more experienced members chime in. Here is a google link from just searching Kangxi blue and gold gilt: https://www.google.com/search?q=blue+kangxi+with+gilt&rlz=1C1GCEB_enUS913US913&sxsrf=ALeKk00ninjIgwTePDax_u1HZm-7ANlnQw:1612051743649&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiRlqjc8MTuAhUn1VkKHU4NAwoQ_AUoAXoECBAQAw&biw=1536&bih=754&dpr=1.25
And as far as delamping it, just go on youtube and search how to delamp a vase. It's very easy to do.
Thank you for your response @johnshoe! I'm excited at the possibility of it being Kangxi. Somehow it was left at the estate sale on the last day/hour. Maybe I'll send it to Peter to see what he thinks once I figure out how to get the color right on the pictures. Also, I figured out how to delamp it just now, but that bronze? cover on the foot rim is impossible to remove. I would've really loved to have looked at it.
@bartholin Yeah, it would be nice to see the footrim. I have no idea how to remove a fitting like that as I have never had to do it. I'm curious if you could show a close up of it to give us a better idea of how it is attached. Also, now that you have it delamped can you show us the top looking down into it?
imo a later kangxi style vase 19. early 20th century
@bartholin try soaking it in water, just make sure the vase is stable so it does not topple over, maybe it is just attached with water soluble plaster or glue.
Looks like the metal base and top are folded around the lip and foot. If there is a seam, that might be a place to start. Otherwise, it might take some effort to remove, carefully peeling them off the vase. Good luck!
@webboy Can you specify what details lead you to believe it is not Kangxi but rather a revival piece?
@johnshoe You are correct! The shape of the vase is 19th c., so a nice gilt powder blue kangxi revival vase.
The trick to removing the metal fittings is boiling hot water. The porcelain is an insulator and will not be adversly affected by the hot water, butbthe metal will soften and bend, so you should be able to gently pry the fitting off.
What I do it is get a wood dowel that is a bit longer than the height of the vase and narrow enough to fit through the drill hole. Then, soak the metal top in very hot water for 5 minutes, then while holding the vase by the bottom, put the dowel through the drill hole and push the metal top off with the dowel. Slowly apply pressure as need until the top pops off.
@greeno107 Is it just the shape that is the tell or do you also see a difference in the gilt?
@johnshoe I didn't look very closely at this vase, so in this case, just the shape. There is less nuance to consider with regards to the shape of porcelains - it either is a shape found in the period, or it is not.
Gilt pieces from the Kangxi that still have most of their gilt are rare, so that is a conseideration, but not without exception.
The flower design looks to me like it coukd appear in both genuine and later Kangix pieces.
@greeno107 Other than the gilt often being wore down on Kangxi pieces, have you found the color of the gilt to be different as well? I was wondering if the item posted here had gilt that was a bit more mustardy rather than golden or if that was just the lighting?
@johnshoe I see what you mean, but I don't use this as a criteria of my evaluation of the age, so I have not given the color of gilt much thought beyond whether or not it was original, or retouched at a later time.
This was an interesting back and forth to read through. Does it look like the baluster form tipped you off to being 19th century Kangxi revival? Also, before I try this and post pictures, will the boiling water damage the gilt on the vase?
@bartholin Yes, that particular sort of slender long necked baluster form is revival.
Hot water will not affect the gilt if the gilt has not been repainted. Test with a cotton swab dipped in hot water if you have concerns.
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