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Here's my fake, but it is a nice fake and I love my cranes. Even I can see that the mark is hinky looking. What's up with the horns on the child, I tried to Google horns on child in Chinese iconography, but nothing of value came up. I would guess it does not mean he is naughty, because there are horns on some of the children on the two Chinese embroideries of 100 children playing that I bought in Beijing in 92, so maybe a form of children's play acting?
“likes” for everyone who kept this convo going - was some good reading, thanks ever so kindly.
@ming1449
Was having some technical difficulties last night so I could not respond to any posts, but the earlier comment stuck with me and it stopped me from almost considering another “gamble” I had been eyeing.
Absolutely right, getting spoiled with these tidbits of knowledge and easy to (try to) remember tips!
@imperialfinegems
the white jade piece speaks for itself… wow. So intricate..
Crazy to think of the vision required at the time to layer it so complexly?!
(tho the boxwood inro is also downright gorgeous to me for different reasons)
Nice collection
@sharonp
“fake” or not, I would’ve also probably bought it just for the visual factor as well..
It’s a very entertaining piece, a lot going on but very fun and vibrant!
Believe I read something on one of the directories online somewhere about the long rectangle marks usually being commonplace post 60s, and often on pieces that were finished in Hong Kong. Tho yours looks much more convincing and aesthetic than the featured examples that I saw on that page.. and they do have some rather unconventional opinions on certain Japanese pieces that are rather "reaching" (at best), but of course we are finding out new things every day and have a wider access of research tools than ever before.. maybe they knew something the general public didn't
Will also share my “crane contribution” as it will make me feel less guilty for asking (just one more) opinion on a foot-rim 😆
have some similar wall plaques/trays coming soon to match..
and now the foot-rim in question... the owner of the shoppe was forthcoming about buying it at an auction without much further detail and believes it likely to be second quarter 20th century, or shortly after. priced reasonably due to the chipped/repaired mouth, but the body is your standard issued rouleau style that is numerous in examples.. once again tho, that footrim looks a little on the slender side..
I just really like the glaze and contrast..
Wanted some informal opinions if that's not too much to ask before I decide to ask for more pictures or just let the deal float off and go back to my Kutani pairing mission. Thanks for the patience in advance.
Since we are on the subject of cranes I thought I would share with you the following.
What's the difference between depictions of cranes, herons and egrets?
When in flight herons curve their necks into a S shape and also pull them in totally back whereas the cranes neck will stick them out straight. Cranes have shorter beaks/necks than herons.
Egrets are depicted as mainly white with black legs. Herons have heavier looking beaks along with shaggier looking feathers on their breast.
Mark
@imperialfinegems
I hope there are no Audubon Society members here...🤣, and per-usual you are too kind and informative in your explanation.
This makes sense now looking at the Chinese vases I have seen with cranes that appear to be akin to a bird shaped kite, for lack of a better terminology.
Hate to ask, but things have been getting slow around here for research currently.. would you do me the kind favour of talking me out of the vase above? I can't help but to keep being enamored by it - likely fake or not. Not feeling like a "gamble" this weekend though with so many great items listed in the newsletter and some great bargains to be found in them at that.
The pictures aren't the best, but if anybody could give a rough guess based on that limited example provided, I promise not to hold anybody responsible for encouraging its acquisition.. but also won't complain about avoiding a far more expensive lesson than the first one which started this forum haha..
Thanks as always,
-JRN
Cannot tell from the angle if the neck is "rough" or has some ribbing to it.. I can see it both ways at the moment, which doesn't make it any easier..
Hi JRN,
I am unable to determine/provide an opinion based on the two pictures. If you also have one/two of the body wound help etc.
If you don't, that's OK. It looks fairly modern from what I can see, so later 20th century? I personally would not buy it because of the damage/repair. But that's me. If I may ask how much is the asking price?
Mark
Glad you are happy with it (the famille noire vase) but in my opinion this is not a well made fake , nor I think is it intended to be . The colours like the pink and lime green are harsh and un-natural, and the painting of the flowers etc is uniform and not very pleasing, (just my thoughts!)
The ceramics industry in Jingdezhen is massive and they churn huge numbers of different objects for different reasons. A few kilns or decorators are copying very carefully the high-end pieces they see in auction catalogues, in order to deceive, but most kilns, shops and producers are just mass-producing antique style and often mixed style vases etc from all different eras , and mostly to sell in shops in China as new pieces or as curios for home/office/hotel reception decoration. I think your vase is one of these type - a kangxi style modern vase.
tam
@imperialfinegems
No worries Mark! I assumed it would be difficult to tell..
Asking price was originally 150, but I received an offer for $80. He is a hobbyist (quite a varying level of possibilities with that word, of course) - but he has several easily identifiable and authentic items, and has been genuinely honest and transparent in the past if he is unable to answer a question to his knowledge.
Respectable gent for sure, but unfortunately you can't buy a vase for the personality selling it (well, not always.. haha)
Here are some more pictures; the foot-rim colour looks possible - but I use the word "possible" as "I have no clue"
Was under the assumption it was probably a 50s-60s style piece; but I am having flashbacks already of the original piece that started this thread... and at over 10x the amount, I wanted to play this very very safe because sooner or later I'll be listening to Phil Collins in a Miami-pink button down with the current rate of 80s being brought back to my residence 😆
Here's some more pics, I personally just loved the look despite the damage, so I'm not as concerned about market value.. but know you personally study and collect Republic pieces and would be a good basin of preliminary knowledge.
If you wouldn't mind shooting me an email (on my profile) I am having some difficulties compressing the file sizes..
Sorry for the hassle,
-JRN
Hi JRN,
I can see why you are inclined towards this vase. It's unusual in my opinion. Still I think it's modern. Post 1980'S or thereabouts.
Personally I would not entertain this type of ware. However, if you really like or want it then the reduced price of $80 is not going to break the bank. If you are happy then by all means buy it for its decorative value.
Mark
If I could LIKE, I would like your continued dialogue.
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