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Greetings all,
Took a break from my weekly Imari self-indulgence to scoop this up for a very modest sum, and sadly could not resist..
It is 10" tall, and all signs of my preliminary research tended to point towards second quarter of the 20th century (so, late Republic), but I am still unsure as finding a noire/black ground example online and in catalogues has been difficult. The proportions seem a little wider than most baluster vases of the time, although I have come across some - and the foot/base seems to be thinner as well. Based on initial photos (yard sale/estate seller who primarily had furniture up for sale) the "fresh" appearance of the Yuzhi mark made me figure it was a cheap gamble that I would be okay with regardless, but leant towards it probably being a modern fake. Upon it arriving today and handling/inspecting it closer, the piece felt very similar in thinness and quality to my Jingdezhen made People's Republic era vases..
What is throwing me off is the foot - as most Republic pieces with apocryphal Yuzhi marks that I've seen have a much thicker one.
It can't possibly be an "of the period" actual Kangxi piece, right? I feel silly for even letting the thought cross my mind, but figured it wouldn't hurt the ask. The wear is consistent throughout and does not seem artificially enhanced, but if there's one thing I do know in my limited experience - there's a fake out there for everything, and of varying appearances and quality.
My guess would be Republic, second half if I was forced to choose.. or maybe mid-century/early P.R.O.C
Anybody more experienced care to chime in? Would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Hope all is well, and everybody is hanging in there during these strange times..
Regards,
-JRN
The mark is Kang xi yu zhi (no. 1581 in Davison‘s mark book). The vase has rather a 1980s look in my eyes, because the painting quality seems lower than it was in the first half of the century. The wear is strange. It could have been deliberately applied, together with the dirt on the bottom, or it’s just sloppy painting. The overall impression is quite decorative though. Is that a crack visible on the inside?
Birgit
I agree with Birgit. This vase eminates from the circa 1980'S. The wear is imo artificially applied. The overall look is clumsy, stiff and has been decorated with haste.
If this was say early republic period when one looks inside the interior it would appear/feel rough or rippled etc. On examples from the very late Republic to PROC it would or could show a very smooth look/feel. This is evidence that the interior has been scooped out by a mechanical device rather than by hand.
Mark
@shinigami
Thank you for referencing the Davison book; I appreciate the context..
I believe the brown in the interior is some sort of film/tape that has deteriorated over time - now that it is confirmed to be a NEW newer piece, I'll have less reservations digging in there to find out when I can get around to it haha. Just for a clearer shot, I included a more detail look down the interior.
In hindsight (and examining it closer) it definitely has some glaring indications of mass production (the internal/upward facing raised bumps on the base, the foot, sloppy paint, ect).
For the whopping price of $7 shipped, I'll consider it my educational "dues" for the week - and perhaps an investment for my future great-great-grandchildren; should there be a market in the distant future for modern copies of less modern copies of not as modern tribute pieces 🤣 I'm sure it'll be a fun conversion project to a small end table or flower stand in the meantime.
Thank you for the insight, always appreciated!
Regards, JRN
@imperialfinegems
Mark, as always, thank you for the group of solid foundational tips to help me in the future..
Ever-so thankful for the time and effort you all take to help me progress in my learning.
I believe had I not had come across the Nyonya/Peranakan pieces a few weeks ago that are listed currently on my auction account, I wouldn't have even considered this (okay, for $7, maybe I still would have. Lottery tickets are just as hopeful and around the same price? ha!) as to me the blue ground enamel on one of the pieces looked so hastily and shoddily/patchily layered even for a while after arriving up until about a day before they were confirmed as authentic.
After comparing them side-by-side a moment ago however, it is a clear difference in how artificial wear presents itself compared to actual wear/enamel breakdown over a century or so.
Once again, thanks for taking the time to help!
Hope all is well for everyone,
-JRN
I liked how you said about your future great great grandchildren. A measley 100 years confers antiquity and collectibility is conferred by such nebulous things as to be undefinable. The sea captains of New England brought back gifts to their wives and travellers brought back souvenirs of their travels. I believe people will collect a naieve category of ceramics in the future and be using terms of art like Naif, the same as they do for fine art, whatever that may be.
Hi JRN -
Not really my area, but concur with Birgit's and Mark's thoughts on this piece ...
I was also going to give Mark's response a 'like', but still have no accesses any buttons!!🙄 😏...
He has given you some very good advice!!😉
Stuart
Yes, I also tried to like the responces without success and I cannot clear the past responces received. My Alexa can't get through an entire game of Jeopardy without bogging down, that's okay with the traffic, we are lucky they work at all.
I also agree with Birgit and Mark, but I liked how they said it was decorative. I had Peter evaluate this vase and it was a modern copy, if I had seen your post, I could have saved myself 12 bucks, because this one also has the rough interior. Here it is in another one of those charming vignettes. It was balanced by the fact that I also had him evaluate another tall vase that did turn out to be Republic, not worth tons of money, but not a fake. I also had him evaluate two little pieces I bought in Beijing in 1992, because he said in one of his videos that if you have something with the little red wax seals that is from China, it is not very old. One from c.1940-45 and the other little piece earlier but neither terribly old. I still like the fake because it has cranes. Why does this child have horns, I forgot to ask that of Peter?
Hi Sharon,
I like the stand. Is that porcelain or lacquer with stone inlaid or other?
I thought since you like cranes I would share with a few that I have.
A Japanese 4 case lacquerd inro. Edo/Meiji period. Signed Toshihide. A black crane flying over reeves and waves. Hard to see sorry!
A boxwood Japanese inro with a Swan netsuke. Probable Meiji period
A ringin!!! A kingfisher on lotus. Unsigned Edo period
My favorite. A white jade plaque depicting three egrets. Yuan-Ming period.
Mark
Thank you, they are all lovely but especially the second one and the jade is beautiful. The lacquer pedestal has what I think is painted soapstone because it is cold to the touch, it was a gift from my husband. They were popular in the nineteen eighties and readily available in almost any large furniture store. It is not inlaid just applied to lacquer surface. Luckily in February we went to spend a week at Port Aransas, Texas to see the Whooping Cranes. They are usually so distant that they are hard to see, even with good binoculars, but we lucked out and a more sociable pair made our week. My personal favorites, the Roseate Spoonbills are plentiful on Mustang Island and I'm grateful we went before becoming shut ins. Be well.
Sharon, I can't zoom into your picture to see the boy's horns. Please could you take a close up?
Also, if your vase has a rough interior wouldn't that mean it wasn't a modern copy? Or did I understand Mark's info back to front? I do that sometimes.
Hi Julie,
If the interior/lid of a vase is ultra smooth/perfect then it would indicate post 1930's production. That was when they started using mechanical scoop type machinery. If it is when you rub your finger over either rough or ever so slight ripple effect then it would indicate by hand.
If you as I am sure you would have some vases/other on display have a look/feel. After awhile you should be able to confirm either way by sight only.
Mark
Hi Mark,
Thanks, that is what I thought you meant and, indeed, it is true of the vases I have. That would seem to suggest that Sharon's vase might be older than she was advised.
Although, if a faker was making the vase, then they would presumably be aware of the need to have the correct interior for the age and construct accordingly. Maybe Sharon's is a deliberate attempt to deceive hence the "rough" interior.
This photo is a bit washed out, but I think it shows your point?
Mine has some sort of bogus factory mark that helped Peter to determine it was not genuine. I think it is a pretty well made fake, when my husband awakens I will have him post the close ups as an example of a well made fake. Even as just a decorative piece, it was worth more than I paid. I am not unhappy with it and appreciated finding out about it. They must have really cranked up production in the nineteen eighties, which like book collecting, if the print run is huge, it is not likely to ever be very valuable because of the ample supply. Fun.
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