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Dear Guys:)
How to identify that porcelain or jade piece or etc. is an imperial piece? I checked the sothebys and christies million times, and There are a few pieces named as imperial, but I don't understand why, I read about imperial furnaces, but I don't understand the difference between an imperial and a non-imperial piece, I thought the first time the imperial pieces have thick gold paint on the edges because I saw some pieces like that, but I realized that there are many pieces that are "imperial" but have no gold paint, so this hypothesis is wrong, after I thought the marks...,but the imperial marks are on the simple pieces too, or is there a secret mark? 🙂
Thank you so much for your help:) Teo
That is a great question in my opinion!
For a piece to be truely identified as Imperial, there should be some historic record that the piece was made for Imperial use. Fortunately, Chinese officials carefully documented Imperial acts and decrees, but comparing records with objects is generally something for scholars and museum curators to do.
If what you are really asking is how do you know if the quality of a piece is sufficient to be of the level imperial work, that measurment is more subjective. However, the execution of the work should be free of any flaws in the construction, utilizes the highest quality of materials, and has a design that generally is meaningful culturally.
If you're asking about imperial porcelain, generally all the above is applicable, and usually there is an imperial mark, but not always. 😀
When it comes to imperial quality jade carvings it basically comes down to the exceptional quality of the carving.
Of course later carvings do sometimes bear both seals and poems but lack the quality in my opinion. But it can be difficult to tell the difference. Even some high quality carvings from the 19th century bear earlier inscribed qianlong marks and are often sold as genuine.
There are no fast ways to learn or tell the difference. It's takes years of dedication. All I can advise is to handle as much jade as you possibly can. Read books from large libraries and visit museums. Finally good auction houses like sotheby's etc. They often have high quality jades that you can handle.
For more information I suggest you visit Sam Bernstein website. He is a legend when it comes to jade. Especially imperial jades. He also has a blog with some very interesting comments on imperial quality jades and identification there of. He used to have a retail gallery in San Francisco but since covid 19 has closed it down and now operates as a private dealer. He is a man who really knows his jade. He is also a great guy to speak with.
www.bernsteinjadeart.com
Mark
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Hello All
Quite some time ago I asked for help regarding a gilded bowl that I had purchased and with the help of the members I found out that it was a 19th century Japanese Kinrande bowl. The reason that I mention this is that since then I have developed a fascination of Kinrande ceramics from the 16th century, but I have yet to find out if pieces made during the reign of the Jiajing Emporer were made at the Imperial kiln or at private kilns.
I have seen that this type of ceramic ware has been described as being some of the rarest and most exquisite types of Chinese ceramics made in Jingdezhen and so I had assumed that such pieces may have been produced in the Imperial kiln.
I have visited the British Museum to look at the pieces in the David collection and one of these is,
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/A_PDF-510
However, although it mentions in the data of these Kinrande pieces that they were made in the Jingdezhen kilns, the information doesn't mention if these were made at the Imperial kiln.
I was wondering if anyone knew of further information that may mention anything about which kilns made these gilded pieces.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
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