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I never really understood how thousands of porcelain painters from certain time periods are now thought to have virtually the same level of talent. Doesn’t logic dictate that there was a range of abilities at any certain time period? The overall differences from era to era are stark, but does this account for outliers? For example: there must have been a handful of artists that came later, say the late 19th c, who painted in the Kangxi style. And doesn’t logic dictate that there were a certain number of Kangxi artists who were just not up to snuff? I’m sure this is already an old and sufficiently-debated question. But as a novice, I just have a hard time understanding the logic. Or maybe we are just using the best technique available, and its known that from time to time mistakes will be made for this very reason?
Or was the quality control so great, that they were able to regulate the level of work at each kiln?
Or is it less a question of talent and more a matter of style? Could your average late 19th c artist have painted a vase in Kangxi style if they wanted to?
I think I need to do some serious reading on the subject, which I have not done.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
Hi Todd,
I think in the 18th century and earlier it was indeed quality control that kept the output rather uniform. Painters learned to copy, not to produce original pieces.
Later in export porcelain for the west, especially from the 19th, you can clearly see different levels of quality. They depended on what the buyer was ready to pay. The fascinating thing is that these items can still be recognized and dated by they style, no matter if from the best or the lowest quality.
In export ware for South East Asia quality usually degenerated in the course of the 19th century. Masses of porcelain were produced in increasingly less time so painting became more sloppy or stamps were used.
Birgit
I would consider getting an opinion from one of the big auction houses. I suspect as others do that this could indeed be 20th century, rather than Qianlong, and depending on how much you paid for it, I would seriously consider getting my money back, if that is the case.
The things I notice when I look at the pictures is the shape, it is not elegant, the outlines of the large flowers is very thick and clunky, the angle of the footrim also looks much more like one on a newer, rather than an older, piece.
It is still decorative, but might not at all be worth what you payed for it.
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Thanks again guys, you have been of great help.
All things considered, I think I will do as Michael suggested, and ask my money back.
Let’s see what happens... Will keep you posted 😉
Thanks again guys, you have been of great help.
All things considered, I think I will do as Michael suggested, and ask my money back.
Let’s see what happens... Will keep you posted 😉
I would still consider asking one of the major auction houses first, just to be on the safe side. You already have the pictures, so you just need to send them to them through their web pages 🙂
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Hi Todd -
You may find the attached article ‘abstract’, within this catalogue of a 2016 exhibition at the Gugong, Beijing interesting ...
This refers only to the Ming/Qing Imperial kiln site at Jingdezhen, where quality control levels were exceptional tight and only pieces that reach or exceeded such levels were selected for presentation to the Court ...
Excavations at kiln sites that supplied Court wares for the Northern/Southern Song periods also indicate similar high quality control levels ...
The situation in the private kilns was totally different where, depending on the level of patronage, commissions and markets, a vast rang of differing quality wares were produced ...
Birgit is quite correct, on objects decorated with designs - no matter what the reign or period - it is the ‘painting style’ that is most important when assessing a piece and attributing a date - or at least trying to!!😄🤣🤣
Stuart
Hi Birgit,
Ah, I see. So the quality control was a big part of it. Interesting. It is fascinating that the styles are so indicative of the eras.
Hi Stuart,
Thanks so much. I’ll read that article. I should be doing more reading, perhaps I will learn something! 😋
take it with a grain of salt
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