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other information?
Hi Billy,
Qianlong mark, but maybe 19th century. Peter commented on a piece in his video this last Friday around 6:20 into the video. I believe your piece has the “t” Peter mentioned. Peter or another expert can confirm. I am a novice. Very pretty plate, by the way.
Best Regards, Todd
take it with a grain of salt
Hi, This is not a Qianlong mark, but that of his son Jiaqing (1796-1820).
Hi,
I always feel suspicious of red marks, so when I see one, I am extra cautious. Are there only 2 bats under the sides?
Best wishes,
Julia
I meant red marks on anything that is supposedly older than 19th c. I did edit the post but maybe I forgot to click the update bit.
Hi Billy,
this is a very nice plate, although I'm not quite sure about the age. Blue seal marks were more common in Jiaqing. Anthony Allen writes in "The Detection of Fakes" that fake Jiaqing marks were not used until the very end of the Qing dynasty (ca. 1910), and most will be Republic period. That's about the time I personally guess the plate was made: late Guangxu, early Republic.
Birgit
Dear Billy,
Yes, the mark is certainly for Jiaqing, though I think not of the period. The details of the way the mark is actually formed aren't characteristic of Jiaqing mark and period pieces. Many Jiaqing copies, some of them very good indeed, were made during the late Qing, early Republic period, and I suspect this may be one of them.
Apart from specific features of the mark, the nature of the enamelling and colour palette are more consistent with work done c. 1900. So I think Shinigami has nailed it here, you have a plate from this later period. It's attractively done all the same.
A word to Shinigami about red versus blue Jiaqing marks - red mark and period Jiaqing pieces can indeed be found, in fact they are found quite often on famille rose pieces, so in this particular case, it might be unsafe to suspect a later copy solely on the basis of the mark colour. Other factors are more important in helping to determine that.
Best wishes,
Alan
Thanks Alan, I guess I never noticed because there are so many blue and white Jiaqing pieces around.
Birgit
Hi Alan,
That is useful to know about the red marks for me, too. I think it is not so much that they don't exist on genuine pieces, as that much of the later porcelain that I personally have seen with an earlier Qing dynasty mark, often seems to have a red one. If that makes sense.
Julia
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