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 Paula G
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Topic starter 08/03/2021 2:13 pm  

These are quite small. I think they may be sauce or dipping bowls.  Any information gratefully received.

Pair Old Asian Oriental Porcelain 3in Dishes hand painted spotted Deer gold trim  b
Pair Old Asian Oriental Porcelain 3in Dishes hand painted spotted Deer gold trim foot w marks
Pair Old Asian Oriental Porcelain 3in Dishes hand painted spotted Deer gold trim mark close up

   
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08/03/2021 2:25 pm  

Paula, they are Japanese, Peter has said in videos that any time you see blue circle next to the interior rim, it is going to usually be a Japanese piece, large over 90% of the time, of course that means there could be outliers and one wonders would the outliers of China be 10% or less and what a nightmare if unmarked, but your piece has a mark that looks to be Japanese to me too. Sharon


   
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Topic starter 08/03/2021 2:31 pm  

@sharonp

Thanks. They look Japanese to me as well.  But did not want to commit to that opinion just on my own say-so.  I think those are supposed to be deer so here comes another question.  Is it just me or do the heads look like rodent heads?  (Disregard the antlers)


   
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08/03/2021 2:34 pm  

They do! 😀 I think they are rather nice.


   
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08/03/2021 9:08 pm  

Deer don't have whiskers, so this looks odd. Maybe they are some type of mythical creature, like a northern Chinese backwoods moose rat. 


   
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Topic starter 08/03/2021 9:33 pm  

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Not the dreaded Chinese backwoods moose rat!  Why I hear tell they are even more dangerous than R.O.U.S.

 


   
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08/03/2021 9:48 pm  

I love these! The deer look so cute. They look Japanese to me too, with that great use of negative space, as Peter likes to say.

My best guess for the mark on the back is 亢王 or 王亢. That sounds like a family name.

On the front looks like 北山圖, which would be "Drawing (from) North Mountain". That's probably a specific place name, maybe Kitayama?

But there's a catch. The 北 and 山 are written together as if one character. This might just be the style (emulating seal script) or it could have its own meaning. I hope someone who knows more Japanese can help!


   
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08/03/2021 9:50 pm  

@johnshoe Haha I just saw your comment, I think it's the whiskers that make them so cute! They're a little too bushy or something, right?


   
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Topic starter 08/03/2021 10:00 pm  

@craig,

Here is another pair of mine.  They too have a mystery mark and I don't know what creature that is.

ANTIQUE JAPANESE SOMETSUKE BOWLS 35.00
ANTIQUE JAPANESE SOMETSUKE BOWLS FOOT

 


   
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08/03/2021 10:05 pm  

@opal26  I suppose the mark could be a conch shell, but I'm not exactly sure. 


   
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08/03/2021 10:10 pm  

And I wouldn't call that a creature on the face, it's more of a cloud splat.

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09/03/2021 2:35 pm  

@opal26 I think @johnshoe is correct that it's a conch shell, just a bit stylized. I'm not sure what creature that is on the front.


   
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09/03/2021 3:20 pm  

I couldn't see it at first but I just turned it upside down. Looks a bit like a dragon. Mark could also be fuku. I may be wrong as it is often in a square but I think I have seen itt as a curly thing with a line coming out before.


   
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09/03/2021 3:28 pm  

What, you guys don't like the term "cloud splat"? I thought it had potential.  


   
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