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would love some help what identifying this item and if it's genuine?
Thanks
Hi,
It is a Guangxu mark which, if genuine,would place it around the end of the 19th / early 20th century. I hope someone can tell you whether it is authentic. I am not sure, where is it for sale? Is it on a Chinese website? I keep seeing what looks to be flashes of Chinese writing in the photos.
Best wishes,
Julia
To me personally the footrim looks too smooth and the peaches too dark red to be old. Julia, where did you see Chinese writing? That escaped me but it would of course be another warning sign.
Birgit
Dear jimpancom,
If this were to be a mark and period vase, you would have a valuable item. I'm not saying it isn't, but there are a couple of things about it that worry me and that without physical handling, I wouldn't be able to form an adequate opinion on. Also, I suspect Shinigami is right, that the enamel colours look a little too harsh for Guangxu period ware, although, that said, colour can sometimes turn out deceptively in photographs. Julia asks a pertinent question too, where did you acquire it? For if there is some Chinese script on the images you provided (though like Shinigami, I can't see this either), then it may well be a warning sign.
What I might add is, some fairly good copies of Guangxu ware, especially famille rose ware, have been being made in the last few years. Without being able to do a bit more work, I'm inclined to think your vase may be one of these pieces.
Best wishes,
Alan
It's a auction house I Germany so not from China.
Thanks for the info so far guys rely apritiat it
Will be hard to decide if I should buy it or not when I think it's a really nice.
Whoops, not Chinese writing, just stats of some kind, must wear my glasses! 🙂 Shows how suspicious I am of this vase.
Aside from what has been mentioned so far, if you look at the painting of the leaves and the bats, it is rather sloppy. The shading of the bats are just bands of varying tones of orange and the leaves are rather messy. Same with the flower. If this were authentic, it would be valuable and you might expect it to have been painted with more care, or indeed love!
Julia
As Alan mentioned very good copies are coming out of China lately in this style. If you are buying for display these are nice, but if you are buying for investment be careful. Bottom line, don’t overpay.
Not to be a downer on this, but the vase has a number of things to be leary of.
First is the overall decoration of the trees etc..they seem rather large and clunky, then the bats, they are oddly styled in a squarish form unlike how they are typically done, even in the Guangxi period. THen the enamels, especially the way the red is applied on the peaches, not much shading but rather hard-chromatic looking. Lastly, the mark looks a bit large in scale to the base.
Because Guangxu pieces are finally of value, though they were never made in large quanities, the market seems to be filling up with them in auctions all over the world.
Here are a couple links to 19th C. Peach decorated pieces for comparison. They were both likely done during or close to the Guangxu period. While the second is a differently shaped vase, the decorations-enamels and drawing style would be the same style on a bottle vase.
Just my thoughts on it, Best Peter
Peter
Julia,
Spot on!
George
Thank you!
Hello everybody,
Very interesting subject for discussion! The differences seem very subtle. I started asking myself a question: maybe that's the difference between early and late Guangxu? I was trying to compare a lot of those vases recently (thanks to Julia and her help with my cup I posted here a week ago) and I came across a lot of objects clearly from around 1900-8 and their quality is lower than those created in the early period. The photos from jimpancom's post are in low res so it's hard to judge but it looks quite good actually, the bottom and the neck (if I can see properly) have some typical signs of a porcelain dated around 100 years old. What if it's form around 1900-8? Still worth something I say.
What do you think?
Regards,
Adrian
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