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 ajeet Khalsa
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Topic starter 17/02/2021 8:53 pm  
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Just another neophyte here  in the steep learning curve of what are likely common items, but any advice as to age, origin, and identification of style of these two bowls would be super helpful.  thank you! 


   
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18/02/2021 2:38 am  

Hi Ajeet,

two very nice Guangxu bowls in my opinion. The quality is higher than usual. 

Birgit


   
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18/02/2021 3:11 am  

I have been trying to work out the mark. Is it a loaf of bread and a bread fork tied with a ribbon? Could these have belonged to a baker or a bakers guild?


   
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18/02/2021 3:57 am  

Could it be some auspicious symbol? I would have searched in my books but am not at home for a few days. 

Birgit


   
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18/02/2021 7:04 am  

Could it be a slice of a mandarin orange, for good fortune in the new year? 

take it with a grain of salt


   
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18/02/2021 7:38 am  

Beautiful bowls. 

Mark 


   
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18/02/2021 11:34 am  

A very pretty mark for very pretty bowls. Very good photos showing orange peel effect of surface. Sharon


   
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18/02/2021 2:30 pm  

P. S. Since orange peel effect shows up on modern pieces (well mid-century pieces) how does it help with age determinations? Does it have to be there for certain period pieces? Sharon


   
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18/02/2021 3:31 pm  

@ajeetk2020

Hi Ajeet -

Having looked at base mark I believe Birgit@shimigami is correct ...

Probably an interpretation of the ingot and brush, one of many auspicious emblems, with tied ribbons ...

No 3384 in Gerald Davison’s publication ... 

Nice pair of bowls, well decorated ...

Stuart


   
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18/02/2021 3:38 pm  

Bread and a bread fork! 🤣 I knew should have got my new book out but was too lazy to move. 😊 


   
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P. S. Since orange peel effect shows up on modern pieces (well mid-century pieces) how does it help with age determinations? Does it have to be there for certain period pieces? Sharon

I think it is a bit complicated, myself. I know it is OK on certain things but you wouldn't expect to see it on others. It is a bit hard to explain easily without examples.  Maybe we should ask Peter if he would do a blog post on acceptable and unacceptable orange peel.


   
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18/02/2021 5:31 pm  

19th century famille rose.

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18/02/2021 8:23 pm  

@julia I would watch it closely and find it most edifying to learn when orange peel is good and when it is not. 


   
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Topic starter 19/02/2021 11:33 am  

Thank you Ming1449 , Sharon P , Xin_FAWIS , Julia , Shinigami  for your kind assistance!  Very helpful to read through your comments and access your experience and knowledge via this forum.  Kindest regards 

Ajeet 


   
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19/02/2021 4:09 pm  

@ming1449  Just an fyi for everyone, in the brand new edition of the Davison book it is #4182. I would also agree that seems to be the likely symbol.


   
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