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Oh also the yellowy tinge to the inside is from my photo light box rather than the piece
Thanks for showing the pictures of inside the lid rim and base rim.
Note these contain the same "dirt" colour. That's further confirmation of what I wrote above. Someone has rubbed a brown stain into the unglazed parts of the porcelain - foot rim, and lid edge and bowl edge. That is the work of a faker - period.
Chinese are very good at faking. Its an error to focus on the parts they got right. Instead focus on the parts they got wrong.
When you see a real example, it will greet you with a big HELLO HERE I AM. It will be right everywhere. You will know it immediately.
If you find yourself wondering, this bit looks good, but I'm not sure about that bit - its not what you want it to be.
The fact that you put it on this site, and asked for opinions, suggests part of you didn't think it was quite right - maybe just a subconscious feel you had. That's what happens when you are looking at something that isn't what its pretending to be. You might not be able to put your finger on it, but it just isn't right somehow. As you get more experienced, you'll know what it is.
FYI, your post clean up of the base pictures confirm the above - the black colour didn't come off - it just got less black. It should be white - and it sound get white right away - spit on your finger should clean it off - just like it would have cleaned dirt off the glazed area asap.
Hello everyone Ive had another development the seller I purchased this from has given a little provenance. (Please note i found this described completely wrong and wasn't in any of the Chinese antique categories and the seller was generally selling Bric a brac and household items.)
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Hi, I have had it for several years & it was my mum's . My dad gave it to her as a gift several years before, as she likes collecting oriental things, but wanted a change , so I can only go back to the seventies I think he paid quite a lot for it so I believe it to be older , as the pottery colour is a greyish colour even on the fresh tiny chip that I did taking the photos, It's always been an interest with people deciding if the knob is an insect or a flower bud, Hope this helps"
So I'm thinking late Republic/50s seems very likely now ?
As for the dark marks to the rims perhaps this held tea or coffee which may have stained the rims.
I once had a 1950s ginger Jar with original sticky Ginger sweets still inside, it was disgusting and took alot of cleaning to get them cleared out.
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I am still in the corner that your item is not a modern reproduction. The overall look is very much guangxu or republic period imo. Just look at the details within the flower etc. Not a modern knock off imo.
From what I have been told its a chinese sugar jar and hence would not have a wood stand etc.
Perhaps ask Peter for his opinion on it. I would be very interested in his response.
Mark
@imperialfinegems Thank you for your Faith in this piece, i know a fair amount about Chinese porcelain (although far from an expert) and holding it and inspecting it i also Believe this has age, certain pitting to the Glaze in areas and the general feel and quality just does not feel new to me. Also the decoration does feel organic and i cannot see any evidence of Stencilling.
i was however suspicious of the darker rims as a few members on here were too, but underneath the rims do look good.
I have alot to learn about Chinese Porcelain and have had an interest in it since i was a Teenager, i have really Enjoyed this thread and hearing everyones opinions, it just goes to show how tricky some pieces can be.
i would still love to hear any other opinions so keep them coming!
kind regards Steven
Mark, I agree with you. To me it still looks credible for Guangxu or early Republic.
Steven, an appraisal by Peter Combs isn't expensive and might be a good idea. If it's really old it may have some value due to the fine craftmanship.
Birgit
Hi Steven,
when I saw the pictures of your piece, the first thing that came to my mind was, that the mark looks a little strange. It doesn't look handpainted, what should be the case, if it where from the Guangxu period. To me it actually looks printed. If you compare it to the mark on the Rob Michiels piece its different.
Just my personal impression.
Chris
Hello Chris
Yes my mark is printed/stamped, but this was not uncommon in the Early 20th century.
the Rob Michiels Piece is of Better quality, it was just a fairly similar comparison i could use to show everyone.
kind regards Steven
Yes my mark is printed/stamped, but this was not uncommon in the Early 20th century.
Ah, ok. I didn't know that 🙂
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