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Hello Everyone
I've just received this rather lovely covered pot, the enameling seems to be of very good quality and the porcelain has slight translucency when up against a light. The Guangxu mark is a red Stamp. The footrim is well carved, overall this piece has very good feel.
I'm hoping it's a Guangxu / Republic piece. And not just a good quality modern example.
Any opinions on the Age ? Would be really appreciated.
Kind regards Steven
Might be only because of how the photos appear on my screen but the enamels look later than guangxu to me.
I put an authentic example on ebay today - late 19th Century - you can see the difference
Ebay item number 283912547915
Thank you everyone, I did think it might divide opinion.
I do believe this does have age, another point which you might not be able to see on the photo is how it have been potted where the base meets the cover, it's almost like an inverted "bell" shape. I don't know if that has any significance.
When I was researching it I did find this example which is better than mine but similar. It has figural decoration and a painted mark but the overall design and quality looks similar. https://www.rm-auctions.com/cn/asian-arts-3/7381-a-chinese-famille-rose-box-and-cover-with-a-peach-shaped-finial-guangxu-mark-and-of-the-period?
I'd love more opinions.
Thanks again Steven
@tam18 if I were to clean up the footrim what products would I use ?
The rob michiels piece shows well what I meant. If you compare the quality of the colors carefully, you will clearly see the difference. The difference in quality in the pink enamels is the most obvious . You start seeing the quality of the enamels dropping on lower end pieces after 1930 or so. Also, the mark and foot rim of your piece does not look right to my eyes for a mark and period example. Maybe late republic? Maybe later? I am not sure but I wouldn't be very confident calling it mark and period.
Hi Steve,
Your lidded jar is very nice indeed. Great buy imo.
I don't believe it's a mark and period piece but do lean towards a republican period example. It's in very good condition and has no obvious signs of wear.
Perhaps post a picture of both the inside and lid?
Mark
@Steve's tubes
Hi Steve -
Really not my area but, as mentioned by@springmeier, if you compare the overall painting style qualities, detailing and enamel shading of the RM piece and yours the differences are obvious ...
I will only add that individual strokes within the writing of some characters, and the spacing of the mark, also indicate this is not mark/period but a later Republic example ... But ust my opinions ...
Still a very nice piece though ...
Stuart
The biggest problem with your piece is the black colour on the footrim.
Authentic "dirt" on the foot rim will be from sitting on a stained wood surface, or similar. It will be on the base of the foot rim only. Sometimes you will see traces on the sides from being in a tight wood stand - but only on one side and the opposite side (because older wood stands are always oval on top - never round, because of the fact that wood shrinks across the grain faster than it does along the grain).
You will never ever never (meaning never), see the same "dirt" on the inside of the foot rim occurring naturally.
Your item has even "dirt colour" on the inside, outside and base of the footrim. This means it was applied by human hands. The only reason to do that is to make it appear to be something that it is not.
You don't have to look any further. It doesn't matter if this item was made in 1997, 2012, or 2018. When ever it was made, the manufacturer intentionally tried to make it look like something it is not, by rubbing that black stain into the foot rim. That means its not what it appears to be - no additional investigation is required.
FYI - authentic "dirt" on the base will come off easily with a cloth and water, because regular "dirt" is water soluble.
What is on the base of your example is not water soluble - its a stain (ie it won't come off easily because the faker that put it there, didn't want it to wash off prematurely). Your "dirt" will be oil based. You can get it off, but not with just water and a cloth. It will take heavy scrubbing with an SOS pad and soap to get that off - basically you are grinding it off.
All of the above is called the cockroach theory. If you find one cockroach, you don't need to look for more, because you know they are there. Use it as a learning experience, and keep it as a study piece to help you from making the same mistake again.
Perhaps you could post some photos of the mouth and interior ? and of the foot after gentle cleaning? I would always use simple soap/washing up liquid and a non abrasive scrubber or cloth. The dirt could have been deliberately applied but I don't get that feeling here
tam
I do agree that it is not M&P, as the mark seems a stencil, but it is definitely a very well done piece, probably Chinese export, maybe a wonderful copy of a period design.
My initial thoughts were wow that is pretty and that it was ok, but having read the comments and looked again, I also have doubts. There are patches in the decoration that are too vague (reminiscent of printing - not sure it is though) and don't sit well with the overall impression of quality.
I can also see what Avionsun means about the footrim and what Springmeier says about the pink: it doesn't look the right pink for the rest of the colours. It could be 1940s/50s, it is certainly very pretty but I, too, would like to see the inside rims, if possible please.
Hello Everyone
Firstly thank you for all replying and sharing your opinions I've been enjoying reading them.
The rim cleaned up easily and we'll with soapy water, I've attached some photos so hopefully they will help.
Lastly I should mention this came from a source which does not sell Chinese antiques nor Fakes. But more general Bric a Brac. So it's very likely this did come originally from a house clearance. just to rule out the possibility of a Dodgy seller.
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