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Here is the plate from Christie's on which I felt the 6th character was a little 'thick'. Not nearly like mine, but again, that's why I was asking about a thicker enamel or even a thicker brush that was used. Only asking if that was a possibility. Originals (saucers and bowls) from Christie's sometimes are white like this one and mine, have noticeable rings like mine, seemingly have the same foot, have little impurities in the porcelain. The difference for me are the characters. However, I readily admit that my eyes are not nearly as well trained to see the differences between the genuine and not.... other than, in this case, the quality of the mark.
I asked if you would post a clear photo of your plate's bottom/mark in the same manner as Christie's for proper comparison....you've not done that. Instead you post genuine marks which I already have seen on my own, and posted one for you.
Nobody can make a good assessment without better photos of the bottom of your plate. If you don't want to do that, then the discussion is effectively over.
@greeno107 sorry, was busy. I believe my main problem with my plate is that the strokes are too wide. It’s like they used the next brush size larger. If the strokes weren’t as wide they wouldn’t be as close. I say that because the characters look to be similar size on both plates. Hard to say unless measurements were taken of each character. Minus the mark, to me the plate looks good. Unfortunately, I know we can’t “minus the mark”. If the Christie’s plate was all marked like the top of character 6 on it, I believe the
would look like my plate. But, my eye is not as well train, as mentioned. Also, I know especially character one is off. To me, Christie’s character six is not ‘straight’ either. I’m good to stop conversation on this, but please offer your final thoughts.
@centralpapottery Here is your plate next to the example I posted from Christie's, followed by your Christie's example you posted.
The mark is obviously different. You don't see the other differences?
I'm not sure how your foot rim measures and if it is the same size or not as the Christie's examples, but assuming they are all equal in size, I see some diffences.
What do you see?
Well, I'd rather hear from the experts. But, other than the width of stroke marks and quality, Christie's example 1 mark covers less space than Christie's 2 and mine. Surely Christie's marks were not drawn by the same artist.(?) My concentric rings inside the foot are more prolific, but not on the inside of the bowl or outside. Also, I can see Christie's rings too, even on the outside. My 4 1/4" saucer is difficult to compare with 5 1/8" in some ways, right? Mine weights 2.6 and 1" tall, unsure about theirs. Mine is more evenly glazed it seems even closer to the foot mostly, but similarly evenly glazed as the one on the left of the photo of 4 pieces I will try to post. Seems more white foot is showing on theirs, but both are fairly white porcelain. I have seen Guangxi colors vary such as in the picture of 4 pieces, so that's probably not a notable difference. I believe someone mentioned inclusions in Guangxu pieces so that shouldn't be a difference, though it seems of the three mine has more. I think I give up.:) What am I missing?
Here's another Christie's photo of a Guangxu yellow dish.
Question… when Christie’s says a pair are they saying the pieces are from the same artist? I know the marks can be by different artists, but I thought something else was interesting about the two Christie’s saucers. The tops of character 2 are quite different. Christie’s bowl two top of character two looks closer to mine than Christie’s bowl one. There are noticeable differences in the marks of Christie’s two bowls. I thought they’d be almost exact since they are much better drawn. Thoughts? Simply artist style or is because one mark is better than the other?
@centralpapottery recently I have been learning about pairs so maybe I can provide a bit and others with more knowledge can fill in with more. When things are called a pair typically my understanding is they were made to be presented together. Other times they can be called an "associated pair" and that would be a couple very similar items later paired together that were made individually in numbers from the same time/ kiln etc. Like let's say they cast 100 copies of a particular bronze and then sometimes people have one, others got two.
Then as far as differences in the marks perhaps the plates were made to go together but more than one person was involved and sometimes with shared duties so maybe two guys did the marks and have slight differences. There are always minor differences with pairs just sometimes more so than others.
I'm sure others have more/better info but maybe this helps a bit anyway. John
There is also the term "near pair" for things with minor differences.
Pair is a funny idea when you think about it. I wonder when the idea of having a pair of items emerged?
What would you do? Bothering me a bit. This Guangxu mark and unknown period saucer bowl is selling for way too much, in my opinion. Would you take it down? Six people have bid over 350 and when the last person asked to buy it now when it got to 800 I said I couldn’t because it wouldn’t be fair and it was already selling for too much in my opinion. They proceeded to bid it to over 1600. Oh brother. Well, maybe they won’t pay anyway. But they have over 2000 feedback. I’m not feeling good about this either way. Any thoughts? It’s worth what someone will pay?
@centralpapottery I’m not seeing the problem am I missing something? I’m going to throw this out but did you get the bowl looked at by an expert I did find an exact comparison.
To my eyes this is an identical bowl the seller is world know Asian art specialist so very reputable.
https://www.fengchunma.com/ceramics/monochrome-porcelain/mco-04-a-small-yellow-glazed-dish-1892759
(Only you experts) Wow! That’s great. I never found this one. I’m feeling a little better. That is the same size,10.8 cm, and maybe the same person marked it because the mark is thick. Did they give a value? Well, at least it seems they also think it’s mark and period. I originally thought so, all but the mark. Thanks a lot. I will sleep better knowing the person is not getting ripped off.
No I don’t know what Feng-Chun sold it for but the bowl she sold is authentic she is a known scholar in her field once worked for Christie’s and Sotheby’s. But the experts putting bids on the bowl already know if it’s fake or not. But your listing is not misleading so don’t worry.
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