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Topic starter 06/10/2021 11:07 pm  

@mdr38 Do you think that jar is similar to my jug?  Other than the crackle and color of the foot, I'm not sure I see a common thread.  What are your thougths?


   
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Topic starter 06/10/2021 11:10 pm  

@william Have you ever seen anything with that light blue/flambe like streak in it?  That feature is quite strange to me.

Perhaps this is some 19th c. antiquarian's idea of a joke... put a bunch of labels on some odd ball junk piece, and laugh about it in the grave 100 years later.


   
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06/10/2021 11:17 pm  

The above pics are of a Ming Geyao jar about 8” tall from my collection. Catawiki purchase from the newsletter


   
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06/10/2021 11:43 pm  

@greeno107 this a Ming jar that I recently bought from catawiki. It was on The weekly newsletter. The top has been ground down. Please see color for comparison.the firing turned the grey to black on the base, so I think kiln conditions can influence the color of the base alot 

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I struggle with dating early monochromes, I thought I should post for comparison. Sorry for not adding more info Earlier. 

 

I am always looking for help and guidance dating early monochromes

 

matt


   
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Topic starter 07/10/2021 9:27 am  

@mdr38 Thank you for the photos and added detail.  I do see what you mean by the texture of the paste.  I've put your photo side by side with a photo of the bottom of my jug.

side comparison ming jar

Althought not the focus of this comparison shot, I kind of think the glazes of the two vessels share some similarity, but for the moment let's look at the paste.

My jug seems to have a brown/red patina, really dense paste, and in some parts, the surface has a polished reflective patina (I see this in ironware pottery, so I think this is related the high iron content).

Your Ming jar I think is different.  Now, we are looking at the ground down section, not the foot, so we are not exactly comparing apples with apples.  However, your paste looks to be actually free of iron, no rust/orange.  The grey paste is very typical of the minyao wares of the Ming.

The paste in your jar also appears to be slightly course and porous, with granular texture and some openings/small pockets within the paste.

The thick wall of your jar suggests a very heavy potting, which actually has me thinking that your jar is Yuan dynasty rather than Ming, but this is a little outside my level of expertise.  However, I think others who know might chime in.


   
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07/10/2021 11:28 am  

@greeno107 

I do remember coming across something similar in the book “Hare’s Fur, Tortoiseshell, and Partridge Feathers Chinese Brown and Black Glazed Ceramics, 400-1400”.

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These are Tang pots from the region of Lushan and Huangdao circa 8th or 9th century.  “Termed lanban (blue mottles) or yuebaiban (bluish white mottles) in Chinese…General kiln practice suggests that the glaze was probably applied in several dippings…The blue splashes were applied on top of the brown glaze before firing, probably with a brush…”


   
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