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Hello, all!
I think way back when I first signed up for this forum I posted a pic or two of this jug I own. Yesterday, I was re-designing my living room collection and I cam across it, so I'm posting additional photos to see if anyone can help narrow down the age/origin of it.
I've been resisting having a TL test because it looks so awful to drill a hole (even a small one) into the porcelain. I also haven't run any photos by Christie's (yet) as I really have no inentions of selling it (yet).
To me, the jug seems to have a lot of the qualities of Junyao wares. I think there is a 'sky blue' glaze, and the manner that there are a few irridescent swirls of irregularly thick glaze, and a retraction near the foot look a lot like Junyao. Also, the iron rich paste that turns dark brown/black on the foot seems to be found mostly in Junyao, but I think the Jian ware (hare's fur) also has the same kind of paste. The vessel is heavily potted, so again, this seems to fall inline with Junyao.
There is one retraction near the foot...my thumb fits nicely into the space when I'm holding the vessel in the palm of my hand. It looks to be formed from the artist's handling of the vessel prior to firing of the glaze.
What I think is unusual about the glaze with respect to being Junyao is the defined crackle. I do see some clear crackle in Junyao, but not the black and clear as seen in my jug.
In that respect, the crackle is more like Geyao ware. However, from the examples I've been looking at, I don't see the dark paste.
The piece was acquired by a client of mine that I bought nearly every piece of Asian art he had.... pieces ranged in age from Tang to Republic, and overall the collection was very high quality, and several pieces made it into auctions in NY. The prior owner acquired many pieces from antique shows throughout the USA during the 1950-80's, but he was unable to give me a specific date or location.
The two star burst labels on the bottom are very old, with ink from a fountain pen. There is one word that looks like "J-ya-"...Is that JunYao? Maybe I'm reading what I want to see.
I had shown this piece to once to my best client who offered to buy it, but insisted I name a price and would not comment on what he thought the age was. He and I have a high trust relationship, so we have a code that we will not lie to each other, but that does not mean we have to volunteer our opinions on age/value. Based upon this interaction, I suspected the piece is at least Ming dynasty.
The jug shape is a bit of a mystery. It looks very much like a short necked mallet vase, or perhaps a cylinderical meiping jar. I did once find a Japanese saki jug in a museum collection that came from China during the Song dynasty, but I foolishly forgot to save the link, and I've never been able to find the link again... perhaps I dreamed it.
Anyway....I hope these photos are sufficient.
If I had seen it without reading what you wrote, my first thought would have been Japanese. I imagine the base must be about 7 inches from it being able to fit in your hand, so height about 12?
The label looks like it says Sage to me. Sorry, that isn't very helpful.
I can't find anything of this shape to compare with. It is like an old scrumpy jar without the handle. Can't have been easy to pour from.
The closest I got in asian wares was a 19th c bale-shaped tokkuri - very nice but other than a similar shape, of no use at all.
Hopefully, some one else will know something. I shall be looking forward to reading other comments.
The one label looks like Sagi, which is very close to Saki, so I wonder if you might have been onto something with that earlier reference? I have suggested this before, and you seemed to be resistant for some reason, but I would make the same suggestion to anyone else on this forum as well: perhaps check with Peter, as he may have run across one or two like it in all his years in the business.
Tim,
I am not sure about this one being Jun ware. The shape would be very atypical for the Song period. I have sometimes seen a bit of crackle on some Jun ware examples. I have never a seen a Jun piece with such extensive crackle that has been stained dark. The clay looks very dark also. The foot rim on Song examples are very sharply squared. In the morning, I will send you pictures of my Jun ware examples.
@william Looking forward to the photos. Thx! The jug seems to be a complete mystery. The most I can say is it seems really old.
The surface of the glaze, which you might not be able to see in the photos, has countless fine scratches and micro chip.... very naturally distributed. I've seen this kind of exterior wear in a few Yuan celadon vases that I've had. But, that doesn't prove anything with regards to country of origin, and not much in the way of age.
Attached are some photos. The bowl with the purple splash is probably Jin/Yuan while the other two probably fall into the Song era.
@william Yes, much better! So, look how these photos compare..... doesn't the paste look similar? The manner of the glaze retraction?
and here is the foot to the MET museum's 'hare's fur' cup:
The dark color does not appear to be a chemical addition on my jug, but rather the high iron content in the paste (as it should be for Junyao).
But, I don't disagree... unusual shape and crackle. Julia mentions a tokkuri (saki bottle), which I think is correct for its form. But, I seem to remember that during the Song dynasty, a lot of wares were exported to Japan because they were quite fond of the Song enamels.
From the look of the labels, the piece has been in collectors hands since the 19th c. That proves nothing, but seems to imply it had some historical value as an antique.
My eyes see the very same paste between all three examples.
After reviewing some of my photos, I think we are running into camera issues with color tones. For example, the bowl with the purple splash has in sunlight a somewhat coarse paste texture with a light tan color unlike the somewhat light grey color of the photo. The other bowl with the loop (based on a metal cup design) has a more fine, compact, whitish paste. The dish has in my opinion been over fired and that has burned the foot rim’s fine, compact paste (this also turned the glaze a lighter grey/green color instead of the usual blue). Your bottle’s glaze reminds of some type of guan glaze.
I think the shape is the key for dating, but that is proving difficult.
@julia you didn’t expect an easy one from me did you?
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