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Hi,
I really like these frames, apparently they are made from Huanghali wood. I also like the panels, they could well be modern but I find them attractive. They are approx 15" x 37" and the opening bid is £150. Do you think these are a copy of someone's work (intended to deceive) in which case, I will forget about them. Thanks for your opinions!
Hi Julia,
Unable to discern much from the photo's on my screen. The timber has the look of walnut or blackwood which is what Huanghali should look like when polished. Will leave to better hand holders than me to give their views on the porcelain painting. Anyway the estimate is reasonable considering their size even if they turn out to be purely decorative. Another way to determine the age is to look closely at the glass if it is perfect it is more than likely modern float glass. Old glass will have imperfections and maybe wavy lines in it. Of course they could of been recently framed with new glass or re-framed with old glass... so I am not much help sorry.
Happy hunting!
Michael
Thank you and yes, you are a help. For a start you know a lot more about wood and glass than I do!
There are a lot of very high quality modern plaques coming out of China ATM. Most made to look old. EBay is flooded with them!
The frame is not huali IMO. The grain and finish is not consistent with said.
Judging only on posted pictures I think they are modern and over priced.
Also IMO the quality of the calligraphy strokes are inferior.
Mark
I have to say, having been to see them close-up, I wasn't as enamoured of them as I thought I would be. In fact, to begin with I wondered if they might be printed because they looked quite bland, but I think not. Annoyingly, they were on a wall behind a sofa that I had to clamber on to look closely. They are hand-painted and the composition is good, the frames are nice, they are definitely modern as was expected but in person they rather disappointingly lacked something.
As for the calligraphy, I am very bad at paying attention to it because to me as a westerner, it is the part I regard as the painting that catches my eye, whereas of course that means I am not judging the whole work. Thanks for reminding me, Mark.
I may go and look again.
Hi Julia -
I would concur with Marks comments - I have seen a large number of these plaques, some very high quality, over the last view years, both in the auction houses and on internet sites and also when walking around the dealers in Hong Kong last year ...
Also, as Mark has mentioned, the calligraphy and seals are rather weak ... Personally - I would walk away ....!!
Stuart
Hi Julia,
As mentioned in another thread due to a great tip from one of our posters I can now view photo's in much more detail and clarity. Now I can see the frames of these items for what they are, they may have got the color nearly correct but the construction of the frames appears more western than Chinese and the quality of the timber is poor. Again thanks to who ever posted the tip on viewing photo's it works on ebay as well !
Cheers
Michael
I agree that these seem modern , both porcelain and frames. Huanghuali is a very expensive wood and means 'yellow flowering peach wood' so it fades to a yellow colour and doesn't look like the wood here. Also huanghuali has a very distinctive knot structure , sometimes called 'ghost face' , which is highly valued and sought after. Almost all the wooden items listed as huanghuali on ebay are some form of rosewood or 'hongmu' in chinese.
The plaques are quite nice , imo , especially the trees, bamboo, etc but the vases are a bit heavy and unrefined. I think these are something like high-class tourist art, or hotel lobby art.
tam
Thanks everyone. As I said, there was something disappointing about them when viewed close up, I think I know what it is. They are very nice, they are hand-painted, the wooden frames, whatever it is, looks very smart, but they feel manufactured to a formula not a natural artistic expression.
The auction is selling another plaque which didn't sell last time. I had thought about bidding on it: it is very pretty, nicely done but unframed and smaller than these. Something held me back then and when I looked at it again in the preview, yesterday, I realised it is the same kind of formulaic style rather than having that sense of free expression.
I won't be bidding on any of them, lovely though they are because they feel contrived rather than being genuine outpourings of artistic feeling!
As with the other auction items I have discussed here, it really shows how important it is to actually see and handle things especially when you don't have a wealth of knowledge behind you.
Thank you all very much for your help, once again I have learnt so much. ?
Yes, nothing is better than judging an item in person. The other way round I have sometimes been surprised how much nicer some items looked in reality than on the pictures. I have read somewhere that some pieces look good on photos while others are almost impossible to take good pictures of.
Birgit
Apparently, they sold for over £200. The other plaque I mentioned didn't sell, again, although the auctioneer pretended it was being bid on and that it went for £70-ish.
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