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@jjytlee I haven’t found one seal mark like mine anywhere very unusual. I’m searching for clues. Thanks for your help
@lotusblack Set aside the mark and focus on the decoration. Mark is not wrong that the ruyi border and lapets around the base were popular in the Guangxu.
So, look for known examples of Tongzhi and Guangxu pieces for comparison.
There probably is some history that explains the use of Tongzhi marks in the Guangxu (maybe loyalists…just a wild guess).
However, the learning comes from studying the piece, not so much the mark.
With that, here is a much better quality Tongzhi M&P piece, but has a ruyi border and lapets, as well as a floral design with some common form and spacing.
@greeno107 thanks for your help. After researching many articles I didn’t find any time indicators by style indicators. I believe this jar was made in Imperial kiln in Jingdezhen during the war buy the Peranakan. Most probable the late 19th century.
@lotusblack Peranakan imperial kiln? Are you being funny?
Straits porcelains are far from my area of knowledge, but I would assume ‘imperial’ quality from any part of Asia would be higher than what your piece shows.
@greeno107 no there is a article that during the war the Imperial kiln was going broke and leased space to Straits potters they produce export that where meant for Malaysia south Asian. This stamp was used during this time to identify these wares for export for Shanghai dealers.
Hi Brian,
Could you please provide us with a copy/link to this site?
Most interesting.
Mark
Thanks Brian,
Interesting article!
Not entirely sure your jar is straits ware.
The lack of turquoise along with the neatness of the artists work suggests to me that it's chinese.
I am not an expert on these types. Birgit @shinigami collects straits porcelain so she may have an opinion.
Regardless your example is beautiful.
Mark
I read this article a while back when I was researching a vase that I had seen referred to as straits porcelain. I didn't end up any the wiser, partly because although I see why it might be called that, I didn't feel the patterns were quite correct.
Like Mark, I am not convinced that your ginger jar is of that type unless that mark were only used on straits pieces?
He does however seem to be saying that Kamchengs were only made for that market, so therefore even those decorated in Chinese mainland style were intended for export which would explain why I have seen nice famille rose pieces, not typical peranakan colours, described as such. They don't attain the same price as the more flamboyant Nyonya style ones, but from what the article says, the relevance in their lives was less.
Possibly the same may be true of some ginger jars, it isn't something I have really thought about. It will be interesting to hear what Birgit thinks.
I did what was suggested by observing the boarder decorations straits are distinct and Chinese are different also. White and green enamels are more of a straits trait and flowers instead of dots on the ruyi boarder. The lotus patters I see on the straits. There are a lot of white background straits examples that carry this theory.
The field of Straits porcelain is quite narrow, with limited forms and decorations. The problem is that sellers call almost anything Peranakan/Straits/Nonya/Nyonya because it was exported to South East Asia or looks a bit colorful. There are only three books dealing with the subject, so it's easy to learn about this special style, but it's hard to find (affordable) items on the market. Some items are stamped, many are not, but it's possible to determine the age by quality and comparing with examples in the books.
There are two categories of decoration, the white background and the colored background. The white background is easier to find, modest plates and bowls like this sometimes pop up on Ebay or in auctions. It has a definite look with phoenix and peonies. In this Guangxu example of mine the bird is rather pheasant-like, but the decoration is typical: densely painted decoration, buddhist pattern on the serrated rim. The stamped mark is unreadable.
The colored background is very typical though often confused with colorful late Qing items for the Chinese market. On Peranakan porcelain there are always either phoenix and peonies or peonies alone, and the pattern is always rather densely packed. This is most probably a Tonghzi kamcheng from Malacca, the green blue being the most common among the colored backgrounds.
In case anyone is interested in learning about this interesting field, the three books on the subject are:
- Nyonya ware and Kitchen Ch'ing 0-19-582516-0
- Kee Ming-Yuet: Peranakan Chinese Porcelain 978-0-8048-4818-3
- Ho Wing Meng: Straits Chinese Porcelain 978-981-232-758-4
Birgit
Thanks Birgit, there is quite a difference in the appearance of the white background ones that you have posted and Brian's jar. Your pictures are quite distinctly of Strait's porcelain. You are quite right: the term is used too often and inaccurately.
Not all straits white background look as show above there are many variations from almost 80 years of production. Here is a straits set it look totally different but still is are straits pieces.
Hi Brian, in the very narrow definition of the books this is export porcelain for South East Asia but no Straits porcelain.
Birgit
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