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Oh, I see. The differene in size is approximately 0,6cm. (If the measurements given by Freeman's is 100 percent accurate that is)
@Greeno107 I think the vase at Freeman's is mark and period but of course I'm not certain.
@avatar The difference in size is only one aspect I mention, and a vase that is only 8 inches tall, so yes, half an inch difference could be relevant as size effects proportion. When comparing Kangxi vs. Kangxi revival, I understand that this is one of the best ways to differenciate one from the other.
Here are the two vases side by side.
They looks similar, but the differences in the glaze can not be explained entirely by saying that it's just a matter of different lighting/photography. Do you see that the Christie's example has a mat glaze, while Freeman's has a high gloss glaze?
However, my point was that comparing side shots of the two vases and believing they are similar (which they are similar) is a far cry from the two vases being 'identical'.
You're an optimist, and you believe someone got a great deal on an undervalued vase, and I respect that. I'm a pragmatist, and I think the likelyhood of buying an undervalued piece on a widely publicized online auction is about zero. But, you must admit that in this complicated field of study, the pragmatists usually end up being right.
I disagree with you Greeno. I know of a sale in the USA where an auction was basically giving away a whole collection worth millions of dollars. You can almost guess which one. Most often when an auction wrongfully have dated a piece as 20th well-informed collectors will know and they will bid up more near to the price of a mark and period. But not always.
This vase turned up in a home in the UK and buyers searching for pieces overlooked it as Yongzheng period and said it was 20th C tribute ware. But it was bid up around £100k at the rgional aution house who had also decribed as 20th C. It the went to Christie's where it sold for hk$3m. And still underestimated in my opinion. The counterpart is at the NPM.
What does one anecdotal event have to do with my specific comments?
Answer: nothing
The way you string together events that are completely unrelated is frustrating
In fact, your story seems to prove my point, that the collectors will not allow a genuine piece slip through their fingers for a few thousand dollars as you originally proposed.
Ok… going to let this one go after this. We disagree… no problem.
The middle vase is the $6,000 Freeman's vase.... clearly of inferior quality, and not of the 18th c.
Probably overstated that the difference is ‘clear’, but different.
@sharonp I did have two large cups of coffee.
We disagree on this one, Greeno. If you could see the Qianlong vase sold at Christie's you would probably find out that the glaze is shining when seen in person. Christie's like Sotheby's use photography techniques that give you the impression that the porcelains the sell have matt glazes but when you look at them in their videos or in person you can see that they are actually glossy like porcelain usually is. But no need for you to go on trying to convince me because you can't. I still think the vase at Freeman's is most likely mark and period.
Here's an article regarding the Yongzheng vase thought to be 20th that later went to Christie's. The auction in Wales even damaged the vase while they had it.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/chipped-vase-valued-150-sold-10389446
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