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27/11/2021 11:28 am  

Sorry to ramble on… could be a side effect of too much pecan pie!

Look how nicely the cobalt glows in the sunlight! The blue in late  20th c. pieces seem to lack that kind of glow.

Really white paste… I think this is just an example where the artist kept things simple.   Maybe he was trying to catch up on back orders while trying to make it home for the holidays!

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27/11/2021 11:48 am  

The base is as Peter has indicated in many video modern production period. The machining pattern is evident. This is a modern trait as I own several modern vases with this ribbing or groveling not sure of the correct term.

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27/11/2021 12:06 pm  

@lotusblack I don't think that kind of swirl potter's marking is prohibitive of being late 19th c. What I also found indicitive of late Qing work was in some of John's earlier photos show the cobalt coming through a relatively thin slip.  The 1970's examples and later seem to have fairly thick slips (barring those made to deliberately decieve).


   
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27/11/2021 12:10 pm  

@greeno107 I do agree that the blue cobalt does remind me of Late Qing early 20th century I have a bottle vase with the same tone. But none of my later pieces are as blue. 


   
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Topic starter 27/11/2021 7:47 pm  

Thanks for the insights, fellas. It's been an educational discussion. It's a tricky business dating these things sometimes.


   
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27/11/2021 10:29 pm  

@johnshoe I think what changed my mind about it being late 19th c. was the quality of the cobalt blue and this earlier photo of yours....

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You can see that the slip is thin, so much so that the blue decoration has given texture to the surface.  Additionally, you can see stray large bubbles captured in the slip form kiln firing. 

Brian has a point about the circular rings on the bottom often being created mechanically, but I have genuine pieces that have the circular formation on the bottom... it is a method some potters used to finish the bottom using a grooved knife, so it's not always mechanical.

 


   
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