The Chinese and Asian Art Forum. For Fans, Collectors and Dealers.
Basic Rules For the BidAmount Asian Art Forum: Talk about whatever you want. You can even discuss and offer things that are for sale if they are authentic. Maximum image file size per post is 2 MB. Images of 700pxl x 700pxl are optimal if saved at a medium resolution. Be respectful of others and enjoy yourself. Click the YouTube link for a brief tutorial on using the forum. You can also EMBED Videos by cutting and pasting from You-Tube, Vimeo etc.
NOTE: To post an item or add a new post, click open the category title from the FORUM LIST, and CLICK the Blue ADD TOPIC button.
I agree with Mark that the last piece should be late 19th century. The wooden cover may be, may be not Kangxi period in my opinion ?
The wooden stand is later (probably also late 19th) as they usually are with those vases. It may be the original stand for that vase, because it fits perfect ?
Chris
Dear Nic,
the famille noire vase is late 19th century, the lamp vase is most probably Kangxi, pity for the several damages besides missing the top part. This guy takes horrible pictures, in the sense that they are clear but too much close, hence the shape is very distorted.
Giovanni
this guy uses wechat which is a very chinese thing , and I too think the photos and descriptions are poor and not good enough to assess or see the damage. I wouldn't buy under these conditions . It's possible these export items have been exported once at manufacture, re-imported in the last 20 years , failed to find a buyer in China for good money , so now they are trying export again . There are some dealers in Shanghai with lots of export items scooped up from minor auctions in the UK and elsewhere over the recent years. But Chinese collectors don't value them highly.
I think the famille noire vase is probably made in the C19th as a famille verte vase, but has then been 're-enamelled ' in black and fired again, hence the bad quality black body colour. This was a very common practice when 'famille noire' became the rage in the late C19th - the Lady Lever gallery in Port Sunlight , England has several 'Kangxi famille noire' pieces and published articles from the museum show they were later 'converted' to famille noire from famille verte originals..
tam
Tam that is interesting and would explain the horrible finish of the black but would the flowers have been white against a white background? Maybe they have been re-done, too.
I should have added earlier that I am not disputing his dating of the lamp (or the vase): I think it may well be Kangxi - judging from the photos at least. I was simply suspicious that either he or the items were not in this country but pretending to be (he does sound Chinese and as Tam said the use of wechat supports that) and I also would not buy from him.
Julia
Fascinating thread everybody. Thanks to Nic and Tam think you have answered some questions for me on my noire vase I have had this vase for over 30years and often wondered about the poor quality of the black glaze. It looks as if it has been painted on. The rest of the decoration is quite well done. I thought as the join in the vase is so prominent the had tried to hide the join by painting it black. How they could do that and leave the rest of the decoration untouched I could never work out. Whilst I am here how old do you think my vase is. It is 35cm tall.
Regards and cheers
Michael
As the flowers are white I wonder, like Julia, how the vase looked before overpainting. The true black of famille noire was achieved, if I remember correctly, by overpainting a green glaze with black. Please correct me if that is wrong, I’m not at home to look it up. As the green is already present at Michael‘s vase, it might be a real famille noire item.
Birgit
I love the birds on Michael’s vase! Especially the little dumpy one at the base - he looks throughly cheesed off! ?
Like Julia, I wonder if the flowers have also been repainted? They look chalk white and lacking in translucency which one would expect if the white underglaze was showing through?
But, as Tam says, maybe this one hasn’t been overpainted at all?
Great vase though! That bird is wonderful!
Nic
Dear Michael,
your vase is clearly late 18th century, as is the one from ebay discussed before.
There are three types of these famille noire vases, that are very different each other; I do not know if this is what meant by Tam, but to be clear:
There are real famille noire Kangxi items, which are very very rare, almost impossible to find nowadays on the market.
During the so-called Kangxi revival originated under Guangxu, they took original Kangxi famille verte items, and re-fired them after filling the spaces around the subject with the black enamel. These can be spotted by the quality of the decoration, fitting Kangxi features.
In the same period and later, copies of Kangxi famille noire ware has been produced. It is the case of Michael’s vase and of the vase on sale on ebay, which are not Kangxi, unlike the previous two types.
I have not understood what you mean Julia and Birgit about the white flowers. The flowers are white because just not enameled, it is the white porcelain body covered by the transparent glaze. It is not clear to me why you think that they should change if a black enamel has been applied on some other parts of the decoration. May be you can be more clear?
Giovanni
Hi Giovanni,
I thought about the second type of famille noire you mentioned, where they filled the spaces on old vases with black. This would only be possible if the decorations would have had some color before. But the flowers on this vase were white, so how would the vase have looked before filling the spaces? White flowers on a white vase. That led me to believe the vase was meant to be famille noire from the beginning. Sorry I‘m not sure if I can explain it clearly.
I also think that it’s a really nice vase with funny birds on it. The foot rim looks a bit unusual, I didn’t know these appeared before Republic.
Birgit
Perhaps now I understand you dear Birgit. I realize that I have not been clear.
White flowers are not enamelled (more precisely, can not be enamelled) if the surrounding background is let say green. If the surrounding background is white, then generally is the background that it is not enamelled and in that case the simple contour line is not enough to ressalt the flowers against the background, hence the petals are white enamelled.
In both cases it is not necessary to touch the white flowers if a black enamel has been overpainted on the background.
Is that what you meant?
Giovanni
Ah yes now I see what you mean, Giovanni. Thanks a lot.
Birgit
Dear All,
Thanks for the comments on my vase. I think my photo's make it look better than it is. The black has bled into the green in several places. The black has bubbles in it. The blue circle on the base is very light blue and a bit insipid I think my vase is late 19th century. Will post detailed photo's later. In the mean time here are two links I think followers of this thread will find interesting.
Cheers
Michael
http://gotheborg.com/glossary/famillenoire.shtml
Latest Post: Bonhams AAL pieces seen/handled Our newest member: Lori Cz Recent Posts Unread Posts
Thanks for visiting "The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art"
If you sell on eBay, or have a shop feel free to post images and descriptions and links.
Check back often for discussion about the latest news in the Chinese art and antique world. Also find out about the latest Asian art auctions at Sotheby's, Christie's, Bonhams and Tajans.
Auction results for: fine porcelain, ceramics, bronze, jade, textiles and scholar's objects. As well as Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese and other Asian cultures.
Thank you,
Peter Combs
Topics and categories on The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
Kangxi vases, Kangxi dishes and chargers, Kangxi ritual pieces, Kangxi scholar's objects, Qianlong famille rose, Qianlong enamels, Qianlong period paintings, Qianlong Emporer's court, Fine porcelain of the Yongzheng period. Chinese imperial art, Ming porcelain including Jiajing, Wanli, Xuande, Chenghua as well as Ming jades and bronzes.
Join the BidAmount Chinese and Asian art discussion board and forum today
The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
A free Asian art discussion board and Asian art message board for dealers and collectors of art and antiques from China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and the rest of Asia. Linked to all of the BidAmount Asian art reference areas, with videos from plcombs Asian Art and Bidamount on YouTube. Sign up also for the weekly BidAmount newsletter and catalogs of active eBay listing of Chinese porcelain, bronze, jades, robes, and paintings.
The art of calligraphy - and for the ancient Chinese it certainly was an art - aimed to demonstrate superior control and skill using brush and ink. Calligraphy established itself as one of the major Chinese art forms during the Han dynasty (206 BCE - 220 CE), and for two millennia after, all educated men were expected to be proficient at it.
The Museum’s collections of Asian art span nearly five millennia and encompass the cultures of China, the Himalayas, India, Japan, Korea, and Southeast Asia. In 2007, the Museum launched an initiative to create dedicated galleries for the collection, beginning with a gallery for the arts of Korea ...
Chinese art is full of symbolism, in that artists typically seek to depict some aspect of a totality of which they are intuitively aware.
China Online Museum is the finest online museum of Chinese art. It features Chinese calligraphy, painting, ceramics, bronzes, carving, and other artworks.
Chinese Ceramics & Works of Art. Overview Upcoming auctions Contacts Auction results ... Christie’s sales of Chinese ceramics and works of art showcase centuries of Chinese history. Held throughout the year in London, New York, Paris and Hong Kong, they attract a wide audience of collectors and connoisseurs vying for pieces as diverse as ...
Explore Asian Art Week. Contact the Specialist Department. Chinese Paintings ... Senior Specialist, Head of Sale. [email protected]. Tel:+1 212 641 5760. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 September 2019 at New York. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 ...
Discover an abundance of must-see art from all corners of a vast continent at Christie’s NY Asian Art Week. From contemporary classical and Chinese paintings to works with exemplary provenance from the Art Institute of Chicago, our Rockefeller Paza galleries will be full of ancient treasures and contemporary masterworks in a salute to the vibrant arts of Asia.
Sold to benefit The Art Institute of Chicago’s Asian Art Acquisition Fund, the sale features 84 lots with a focus on Ming and Qing porcelains, and offers a rare insight into the taste for collecting Chinese ceramics and works of art in the Midwest from the end of the 19th century through the 1980s. Highlights include two Wanli wucai garlic-head vases, a Qianlong mark and period, blue and ...
Specialist, Chinese Paintings, Christie's London Dr Malcolm McNeill is a Specialist in Chinese Paintings at Christie’s, based in London. He previously worked as an assistant curator of the Chinese collections and the Victoria and Albert Museum in London, as a researcher at the British Museum, and as a translator and tour guide at the National Palace Museum in Taipei.
The Christie's Education 2020 Conference: The Chinese Art Market 18 Jun 2019 Christie’s Education is delighted to announce our first international academic conference in Asia which will take place in Hong Kong from 26-27 November 2020 at the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre and will run in parallel with Christie’s Hong Kong Autumn Auctions.
The summer Chinese Art sale in Hong Kong will feature works of art from several private collections, including Qing porcelains and textile from the collection of the legendary Chinese art dealer A. W. Bahr (1877–1959), fine gilt bronze Buddhist sculptures from an old Hong Kong collection, an East Asian collection of Qing dynasty wine cups and jades, and a Japanese collection of Song ceramics ...
Sotheby's Chinese Works of Art Department holds two auctions each year in London, New York, Hong Kong and Paris.
Chinese Art - View Auction details, bid, buy and collect the various artworks at Sothebys Art Auction House.
With more than 340 Chinese works of art dating from the Neolithic to the Republic periods, highlights of this sale include a selection of Qing Imperial monochromes from the collection of Arnold and Blema Steinberg, early ceramics from the Art Institute of Chicago and Chinese porcelain and works of art from the collection of Henry Arnhold.
Results: Sotheby's Asia Week achieved $52.4 million in six strong auctions, exceeding pre-sale estimates. With 76.5% of lots sold and 60.3% of lots surpassing high estimates, the Asian art sales at Sotheby's indicate continued collector interest in the finest works of art from China, India and and the Himalayas.
Today's sale of Important Chinese Art will proceed as planned with sessions at 10 AM and 2 PM EDT. Sotheby's will be monitoring the weather conditions throughout the day and will be available to coordinate alternative bidding options should conditions make it difficult for clients to attend the auction in person.
Bonhams Chinese Art department is renowned for offering the finest works of art representing the richness and breadth of China's artistic heritage, particularly Imperial porcelain, white and spinach green jades, cloisonné and Buddhist art. Specialised international auctions are held globally, including London, Hong Kong and San Francisco.
Bonhams : Chinese Works of Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Chinese Art (US) General enquiries
Bonhams : Fine Chinese Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars Bonhams : Asian Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site.
Bonhams are international auctioneers of fine Chinese and Japanese art. We specialise in rare Imperial and Export Chinese ceramics and works of art, as well as Japanese ceramics, fine and decorative works of art from the Neolithic Period to the 20th century. View on map
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Asian Art Bonhams. Work. 22 Queen St.